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To: STE=Q

Video demonstrates that Factcheck.org lied about what DR. Chiyome Fukino said in her official press release of October 31, 2008. Also three other statements by the Officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, lead us to believe that the Certification of Live Birth, posted online by Obama is a forgery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Iy8i61DmAg

Now, in regards to the lack of confirmation of Obama’s online “Certification” of live birth (not a CERTIFICATE of live birth, commonly known as a birth CERTIFICATE)we will hear objections that Hawaii was protecting the”privacy” of Obama by not confirming that the document that he posted online, mirrored the records Hawaii had of said document.

However, how would that defend Obama’s “privacy” if he, himself (people under his direction and control) had placed the document with the obvious intention to be viewed by the public?

And further, if “privacy” were an issue, he could easily grant Hawaii permission to state that, in fact, said document mirrors the document(S)they have at the HDOH?

STE=Q


However Dr. Fukino backed up the internet posted COLB when she testified before the Hawai’i Senate Judiciary and Governmental Operations Committee. She said the following:
Testimony of Chiyome Fukino, M.D.
Director of Health
February 23, 2010
Hawaii Senate Committee on Judiciary and Government Operations

“For more than a year, the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 e-mail inquiries a month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE. Hawaii is a ‘closed records’ state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute; hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”


Obama’s permission for a release is not needed.

Any judge in America where Barack Hussein Obama’s name appeared on a presidential ballot could issue a subpoena for Obama’s original birth records and under Hawai’i law, the Department of Health would honor releasing the vital records to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by AN ORDER OF A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.”
—Hawai’i Revised Statutes 339-18(b)(9)

I find it fascinating that NO interested parties like John McCain, Sarah Palin, the Republican National Committee, 41 Republican Senators and any of 178 Republican members of the House of Representatives or any of 23 Republican Governors have sought such a subpoena from a friendly judge.
Even more interesting is the fact that no major conservative, constitutional law firm has bothered to find the right plaintiff with legal standing to challenge Obama’s eligibility.

All the major conservative constitutional law firms have stayed away from this issue.


1,788 posted on 10/24/2010 11:36:34 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
President Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE.

What Fukino didn't say here is that the "copy of the certificate" is genuine and unaltered.


Hawaii Officials Lie For Obama


Hawaii is a ‘closed records’ state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute; hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”


Hawaii will do everything they can to - stall, BS, lose paperwork, and lie - to applicants who request documents instead of complying with this law:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]"

1,794 posted on 10/24/2010 11:54:13 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

I wrote:

Video demonstrates that Factcheck.org lied about what DR. Chiyome Fukino said in her official press release of October 31, 2008. Also three other statements by the Officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, lead us to believe that the Certification of Live Birth, posted online by Obama is a forgery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Iy8i61DmAg

Now, in regards to the lack of confirmation of Obama’s online “Certification” of live birth (not a CERTIFICATE of live birth, commonly known as a birth CERTIFICATE)we will hear objections that Hawaii was protecting the”privacy” of Obama by not confirming that the document that he posted online, mirrored the records Hawaii had of said document.

However, how would that defend Obama’s “privacy” if he, himself (people under his direction and control) had placed the document with the obvious intention to be viewed by the public?

And further, if “privacy” were an issue, he could easily grant Hawaii permission to state that, in fact, said document mirrors the document(S)they have at the HDOH?


jamese777 wrote:

However Dr. Fukino backed up the internet posted COLB when she testified before the Hawai’i Senate Judiciary and Governmental Operations Committee. She said the following:

Testimony of Chiyome Fukino, M.D.
Director of Health February 23, 2010
Hawaii Senate Committee on Judiciary and Government Operations

“For more than a year, the Department of Health has continued to receive approximately 50 e-mail inquiries a month seeking access to President Barack Obama’s birth certificate IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS POSTED A COPY OF THE CERTIFICATE ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE. Hawaii is a ‘closed records’ state, meaning that vital records are available only to those with a direct and tangible interest as defined by statute; hence, they are not subject to disclosure under public records requests.”


I write:

First, I think we have to keep in mind that the “COLB” that Obama has posted is — and says — CERTIFICATION of live birth: Not CERTIFICATE of live birth.

This is what a real “long form” CERTIFICATE Of Live Birth looks like (see link):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2166631/posts?page=86#86

So when Fukino parses... “OBAMA HAS POSTED A COPY OF THE ‘CERTIFICATE’ ON HIS FORMER CAMPAIGN WEBSITE” she is being less than precise — and maybe practicing a bit of subterfuge.

A “CERTIFICATION of live birth” is not a COPY of a “CERTIFICATE of live birth,” rather, it is an abstact of same.

Fukino has made statements that even the Attorney General of Hawaii has refused to back up (see link):

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/02/02/hi-attorney-generals-office-refuses-to-corroborate-obamas-hi-birth/

“In correspondence with The Post & Email, Jill T. Nagamine, Deputy Attorney General for the State of Hawaii, has made it clear that her office will not corroborate or back in any way the July 27, 2009 Statement of Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, which declared Obama Hawaiian-born and a ‘natural-born American citizen’.”


jamese777 wrote:

“Obama’s permission for a release is not needed”


I write:

Maybe.

However, his refusal to release a true CERTIFICATE Of Live Birth (not a “certification”) is generating unnecessary controversy.

Why should concerned citizens have to take their President to court to show what 99.999% percent of Americans have at their disposal?... a true “long form” Birth Certificate!


jamese777 wrote:

Any judge in America where Barack Hussein Obama’s name appeared on a presidential ballot could issue a subpoena for Obama’s original birth records and under Hawai’i law, the Department of Health would honor releasing the vital records to: “a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by AN ORDER OF A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.”
“Hawai’i Revised Statutes 339-18(b)(9)

I find it fascinating that NO interested parties like John McCain, Sarah Palin, the Republican National Committee, 41 Republican Senators and any of 178 Republican members of the House of Representatives or any of 23 Republican Governors have sought such a subpoena from a friendly judge.
Even more interesting is the fact that no major conservative, constitutional law firm has bothered to find the right plaintiff with legal standing to challenge Obama’s eligibility.

All the major conservative constitutional law firms have stayed away from this issue.


I write:

As you yourself have surmised, these folks don’t want to step into the controversy that the President has precipitated.

Another thing to consider is that the people who are in a possition to do the most — are people in POWER!

Presidents come and go... and these people, I’m sure, intend to remain in power, after obama is gone.

Robert Gibbs, white House press secretary, practically “looses it” when asked by a brave reporter, about Obama’s use of a Connecticut social Security number.

Gibs mumbles about the “birth certificate”(who mentioned a birth certificate?)...and he never does answer the “yes” or “no” question he was asked. (see link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdJt6zsMREY&feature=related

STE=Q


2,016 posted on 10/24/2010 6:21:07 PM PDT by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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