Do Southerners Have the Right to be Described as "Native Americans"?

10-7-2010 | comtedemaistre

[ComtedeMaistre]

[This thread aims at divisiveness. We have enough of that already.]

The divisive people are those who are trying to take down monuments all over the South, and those who are always mocking the South.

I never claimed any “Southern superiority” to anyone. Southerners do not stop others from celebrating their culture and heritage.

I made it clear in my post that I respect Native Americans and Blacks. But Southerners have become the punching bag of the nation, and are the only people that you can insult, without consequence.

Are you comfortable as a Southerner, being the butt of jokes in this country. Are you comfortable having your ancestors constantly portrayed as monsters? And you are accusing me of being divisive? How so? By calling for Southerners and their culture to be treated with more respect?

Why don’t you tell those who are always mocking and insulting Southerners, to stop being divisive? Southerners only want to be left alone to celebrate their culture, without being called names.

[wideawake]

Because Southerners are pioneers and not immigrants

Why would Southerners be more "pioneers" than Midwesterners or Northeasterners or Westerners?

Some of the oldest settlements of the United States, the ones furthest removed from the era of pioneering, are in the South - like Jamestown and St. Augustine and Williamsburg.

Southerners are not aborigines.

They are indeed immigrants.

[Jemian]

state rights and the right to self-determination

My first ancestor arrived on these shores in 1649.

[fredhead]

My father’s isde of the family have lived in eastern NC since the 1720’s when one of my ancestors moved there from southeastern VA. Mom’s side comes out of the hills of TN.

American by birth
Southern by the grace of God

[Non-Sequitur]

Both. Northern opposition to the extension of slavery into the territories and newly formed states was regarded as interference with the southerners' property rights and freedom of movement. But the media eliminate the part about state's rights.

So then it was really about individual property rights rather than state's rights. And while the Constitution does have some protections against government seizing your property, it does not guarantee you the right to take your property wherever you choose.

[tumblindice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzWDzuLEwmc

[rhombus]

Since we’re into Southerners vs Northerners, we might want to ask again -— was the civil war between the American North and South about slavery as the standard talking heads want us to believe, or was it about state rights and the right to self-determination?

Are sanctuary cities about taking advantage of illegals or are they about self-determination?

[SoldierDad]

Welcome, my Native Brother (or sister - screen names are not always gender specific).

[GeronL]

I’m from Texas and my dad was born in “Seven Shooter” Oklahoma in Paul’s Valley.

I claim Texan!

[SouthernBoyupNorth]

As a “son of the south” I have to ask WTF????? While I appreciate the sentiments who really cares what Yankees think of us? I sure don't. When they mock my accent I look at them and smile and walk away, they just prove how pin-headed they are. Seriously the balkanization of AMERICA, the AMERICA my dad fought for the AMERICA in who's Navy I served, is not the AMERICA that exists today. Screw what northerners think about us. Quit bitchen about a lack of respect. Let TAKE back what was stolen from ALL AMERICANS by the ultra liberals and stop becoming “hyphenated” Americans. If we continue to allow the left to set the topic of discourse then WE LOOSE!!!! Don't succumb to what they want you to do. I am an AMERICAN BY BIRTH, SOUTHERN BY THE GRACE OF GOD!

[Jemian]

Sister

[Jedidah]

Your argument is based on a false premise.

I have never felt mocked or insulted, even when I lived in the North with a Southern accent.

Get over it. These are crucial times for our nation, and your gripe is a non-issue.

[normy]

pissed off-American work?

[Genoa]

So then it was really about individual property rights rather than state's rights. And while the Constitution does have some protections against government seizing your property, it does not guarantee you the right to take your property wherever you choose.

I would say yes, state's rights per se had relatively little to do with it, since only a small radical element in the North wanted to interfere with the domestic institutions of the southern states. It was mostly about competing political and economic interests that battled over differing visions about policy for westward expansion.

[AlexW]

“Journalist H.L. Mencken, From “Five Men at Random,”

Well, that is all interesting, but as my brother often says
as we review the past and remember the good times in our lives...”It is all gone with the wind”

[Jedidah]

Great peach orchards around Pauls Valley.

[SoldierDad]

Thanks.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: A state’s right and determination to do what?

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The thirteen states formed a loose confederation with a very weak federal government. However, when problems arose, the weakness of this form of government caused the leaders of the time to come together at the Constitutional Convention and create, in secret, the US Constitution.

Strong proponents of states rights like Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were not present at this meeting. Many felt that the new constitution ignored the rights of states to continue to act independently.

They felt that the states should still have the right to decide if they were willing to accept certain federal acts. This resulted in the idea of nullification, whereby the states would have the right to rule federal acts unconstitutional. The federal government denied states this right. However, proponents such as John C. Calhoun fought vehemently for nullification. When nullification would not work and states felt that they were no longer respected, they moved towards secession.

[rhombus]

Let TAKE back what was stolen from ALL AMERICANS by the ultra liberals and stop becoming “hyphenated” Americans.

I like your sentiment. Can we stop stereotyping and denigrating "norhterners" and "Yankees" too?

[wideawake]

Northern opposition to the extension of slavery into western territories was based on the precept that the west should be for only the white man

Oh, really.

A pity none of the "Northern opposition" in Congress bothered to mention that federal lands were only for white people at the time.

Presumably Congress forgot that the Choctaw weren't white.