Posted on 10/05/2010 6:01:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
The fact that they didn't says that Erik was pretty clean.
The breakin was probably a fishing expedition. I hope Scotts family eats these idiots alive in court and that the exposure leads to charges.
If you remember “they” detained Eric Scott’s girfriend for four hours after the shooting.
Wow that was just enough time to do the no warrant break in!!!
Seems lots of this guys meds were for body building aka HGH etc as well as for pain from older injuries.
A list I located on this video allegedly by his father to the media.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsMwZRLrrs&feature=channel
I think the missing videos are telling aside from the quarterbacking about the so called “cocktail” of prescriptions this man was on.
Weird how the police videos and the store videos all were missing or broken that day.
Witnesses must be the key now. Hope folks who saw the event stand up and tell the truth as they remember it.
Thanks for the information !
Stumbling and bloody knuckles...
FWIW, I’ve been digging post holes for corral fencing. The ground is like concrete, and I’m in my 50s. If I walked into a store right now, there would be blood on my hands, I’d be stooped over and doing well to stay vertical. But my judgment would not be impaired, I would retain the right of self defense, and I’d have a S&W with me.
And I don’t deserve to die because of it.
Post 117......WTF? ping
Good link. I thought this was pretty interesting from the timeline he made of the radio calls:
14:05 (SL): “Yes, he’s about ten feet away. I see the officer standing at the door right now.”
14:07 (D): “Who is?”
14:08 (SL): “I see the officers right now.”
14:09 (D): “You see them?”
14:10 (SL): “Yes.”
14:11 (D): “And do they see him?”
14:12 (SL): “Ah, negative.”
14:13 (D): “Have they walked out the door right now? What is that guy doing right this...”
14:16 (Unidentified Officer’s Voice(s) in Background): “Put your hands where I see them now, drop it, get on the ground, get on the ground...”
[At 14:18, multiple, rapidly fired gunshots can be clearly heard in the background.]
Notice that at 14:12, the Costco employee is saying the cops don’t see Scott. At 14:18, multiple shots are fired. SIX seconds from ‘they don’t see him’ to firing shots? If that timeline is correct, the cops will be in deep doo-doo in the civil trial.
As noted at the link:
“From the moment the Officer, probably Mosher, yelled “Get your hands where I can see them” until he fired two shots in rapid succession, only approximately two seconds elapse. The additional five shots are fired with a lapse between Mosher’s shots and theirs of only a fraction of a second, and the entire sequence of events, from Mosher’s yelled command and the final shot is only three to four seconds (from the first command until Lierley told the Dispatcher that shots had been fired, only seven seconds elapsed).”
SIX SECONDS from ‘not seen’ to ‘open fire’. First command to final shot is FOUR SECONDS!
If you were exiting Costco carrying concealed IAW the law, and from first sight to cops yelling equaled 2 seconds, and 2 seconds later cops were shooting, does it REALLY make any difference what you did? Would you, caught by surprise, realize they were shouting at you and not someone else, and comprehend their commands and act in total obedience? In TWO-FOUR SECONDS?
The civil case should be very interesting. I think Mosher will be a disaster on the stand.
Ping to timeline in 127, from a link posted in 103...
Well, they had to have time to go find his 'second gun' and then take it to the hospital to plant on his gurney.
REMEMBER, the second gun wasn't found outside of COSTCO.
It was found by some EMT or Hospital staff on his gurney after he got to the hospital.
Try this experiment:
At a normal pace, say, “Sir, I’m officer Mosher, and I’d like to speak to you for a minute or two? Is that OK?”
That takes me about 4.5-5 seconds. It took the LVPD 6 seconds to go from not seeing Scott (which also means he wasn’t acting in a threatening manner) to opening fire. 7 seconds from not knowing which person was the accused wacko, to the last shot impacting Scott’s body.
“Sir, I’m officer Mosher, and I’d like to speak to you for a minute or two? Is that OK?” - 5 seconds.
What would have happened if the LVPD had spent 5 seconds being polite? If they had spent 5 seconds acting as though Scott MIGHT be an innocent man?
Add “Can we talk?” to the above phrase, and you have the time it took the LVPD to go from not knowing which person leaving Costco was their suspect, to pulling the trigger 7 times.
I bet the Costco Security staff and the LVPD knows.
It is possible that their equipment malfunctioned. Still, given the crowd outside COSTCO, and the police cars, cops, ambulances, it is downright funny that NO ONE had a cell phone camera and got ANY footage at all. Maybe this happened all too quickly (although it was 30 minutes from the time it was called in until he was shot).
I don't think the LVPD will allow that to happen.
How about because they [Costco] failed to comply with the law REQUIRING them to post a “we don’t allow conceal carry” sign if that is their policy?
OR is complying wholly and completely with the law only incumbent upon the individual with no ‘connections’?
I would bet that the second gun was a cop throw down as Scott had a license for every gun that he owned. But golly, not the “hidden” gun found by an EMT! And that odd? (a little snark there)
But if I happen to get one of the bad ones to deal with, my life can get really bad quickly. I am at the point where seeing a cop does not make me feel safer anymore.
Seven seconds from the cops just standing there, looking to see who the suspect might be, to the last shot fired. No one had time to get out their cell phone camera...
Of course, if Scott had really been a threat, someone who probably have noticed it and made a record, so the silence is deafening.
>Call yourself a Waaaambulance. The anti-cop contingent on FR talks about all police in all departments with language that
>(except for the absence of the word “cracker”) could have come right off the stage at a New Black Panther rally, and then
>compound it by portraying anyone who generally supports law enforcement as an apologist for fascism.
>
>Grow up.
Hm, I’m quite possibly in what you would consider the “anti-cop contingent;” let me ask you this: have you ever had the police barge onto your property,weapons drawn, because you were acting within the legal bounds of the law? I have. I also know that the 911-call that they were responding to was complete hearsay and that they refused to identify themselves (i.e. name & badge-number) when confronted by a neighbor.
Also, why should I trust an organization that claims to enforce the law yet enforces illegal laws?
>Do you not find it the least bit odd that with all the customers being asked to leave the store, with cop cars outside, firetrucks and ambulances in the parking lot, AND IT’S LAS VEGAS, that there is not one, single, person that caught ANY of this incident on their cell phone camera?????
There have been some accounts that the time Scott could have exited the store to being shot was less than 20 seconds.
I think it not at all odd that people would be looking around, curious as to the cause for evacuation, and then surprised by the police opening fire; it may be that it happened so fast and was so shocking that people didn’t think of their cell-phones until Scott was already dead. Also, the police may have ‘asked’ about it during their ‘questioning’ of witnesses... but that’s pure “speculation & paranoia” on my part.
Scott told one of his doctors that he wanted pain killers for depression, but he suggested to her that she could lie and say the prescription was for pain.
People who have taken painkillers for 15 years don't respond to them the way you or I would - a point not made at the inquest. Think Rush Limbaugh.
Rush wasn't mixing six times the normally lethal dose of morphine with one times the normally lethal dose of Xanax.
FWIW, the HGH i believe is reputed to help with inflamation and may have had a benign useage for his back pain...maybe not, and for all i know, scott cooulda been a serious pillhead...but as the analysis link shows, thru the testimony and evidence, he didnt have a chance to even process the situation in 2-4 seconds of leaving the store...
he was dead man walking from the gitgo, once the army was in place and fusterclucked the scene into chaos with an evac...
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