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To: Walts Ice Pick

Lincoln was willing to leave the slavery issue just as it was if the south would just not secede. He wanted to compromise and leave the slavery issue alone in exchange for not expanding it to other states and for the south to stay in the union. But the south seceded anyway because it wasn’t about slavery, it was about states rights. If it had been about slavery, they would have taken Lincolns offer.


75 posted on 09/30/2010 5:29:04 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: beckysueb
But the south seceded anyway because it wasn’t about slavery, it was about states rights.

That's right and that's why I linked Mississippi's Declaration of Secession:

http://americancivilwar.com/documents/causes_mississippi.html

Let's let the people who were there speak for themselves about what they felt was important.

Let's workk together to bury the ignorance.

84 posted on 09/30/2010 5:34:10 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: beckysueb
But the south seceded anyway because it wasn’t about slavery, it was about states rights.

State's right to do what?

If it had been about slavery, they would have taken Lincolns offer.

You are aware that the original seven confederate states had announced their secession long before Lincoln was inaugurated, aren't you?

92 posted on 09/30/2010 5:42:52 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: beckysueb

Don’t forget that Lincoln also wanted to use state revenues to deport slaves. The struggle was about political power and Lincoln’s fear that slavery leaning states would gain the upper hand politically.


102 posted on 09/30/2010 5:50:38 AM PDT by The_Sword_of_Groo (<=== Proudly resides in occupied Georgia)
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To: beckysueb

Slavery was choking on too many slaves. Agriculture with slaves was not sustainable. The slave owners needed access to the territories, because slaves had to be kept ignorant to be slaves. Modern methods of crop rotation would would teach slaves to take care of their own land, and set the conditions for their independence. So slaves were kept ignorant, plantations were run into the ground, and crop yield dropped. A major source of income was the slave owner’s mixed race female children with black women. They were sold to brothels, for thousads of dollars.

The south had 4 Billion dollars in slave property (worth 8 trillion dollars today). Their intent was, after winning independence to capture Cuba, Mexico, and points south.


133 posted on 09/30/2010 8:05:53 AM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: beckysueb
............. But the south seceded anyway because it wasn’t about slavery, it was about states rights...................

Being from AZ this really jumped out at me..

Have enjoyed your posts on this thread.

287 posted on 09/30/2010 10:16:39 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: beckysueb; Walts Ice Pick
Lincoln was willing to leave the slavery issue just as it was if the south would just not secede

Very well said, Ma'am. Let us see if that 'Saint' can defrost Ice Pick's process of critical thinking..

In the Conkling letter before mentioned, I said: “Whenever you shall have conquered all resistance to the Union, if I shall urge you to continue fighting, it will be an apt time then to declare that you will not fight to free Negroes.” I repeat this now. If Jefferson Davis wishes, for himself, or for the benefit of his friends at the North, to know what I would do if he were to offer peace and reunion, saying nothing about slavery, let him try me (…). disHonest Abe

367 posted on 10/02/2010 3:29:30 AM PDT by Idabilly (Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right...)
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