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Such separation ... must be effected by colonization ... to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be."

Do you not know the difference between voluntary colonization, which Lincoln supported, and forced deportation, which was claimed? Lincoln supported colonization, nobody is disputing that. Many people did. Robert Lee paid passage to Liberia for some of his former slaves in the 1840's or 50'. That is a far cry from rounding them up, forcing them on ships and sending them back the same way their ancestors got here. As was claimed Lincoln advocated.

There are many other examples of Lincoln's attitudes towards blacks. Although he abhorred slavery as an institution, the idea that Lincoln was some champion of equal rights is a joke.

Is it? This is from one of his 1858 debates with Stephen Douglas:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that, notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence-the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man."

I would defy you to present a quote from a single Southern leader prior to the rebellion who would go on record as saying blacks deserved any rights at all, much less place them on the same level as a white man. Two years before this, a Southern Chief Justice of the Supreme Court had ruled that a black man had no rights period and were not and could never be citizens. Two years later here's Lincoln saying they have the same basic, God-given rights as a white man. What Southerner was out there agreeing with him?

First off, check the posts. My comments were not made as a comparison to some straw man southern leader who according to your logic makes Lincoln better by comparison. They were about Lincoln, and more importantly Lincon's own words. As are these:
"I believe it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves." Lincoln, 1865
Still want to argue that its 'not true" that Lincoln wanted to deport slaves? How about the fact that in Dec 1862 he proposed a constitutional amendment to “appropriate money, and otherwise provide, for colonizing free colored persons with their own consent, at any place or places without the United States.”
I noticed how you conveniently side step facts that contradict your opinion. Why is it that you want to steer the conversation in a direction that you have some rebuttal for?

Its comical, and additionally very telling of your limited grasp of historical fact that you use the L-D debates, as this gem came from the first one:
"I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races That I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything." Lincoln to Douglas Ottowa, IL 21 Aug 1858

Maybe this does it for you
"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." Lincoln - Springfield, IL; 17 July 1858

But hey, lets be fair about this. Lincoln didn't like Mexicans either:
"the people of Mexico are most decidedly a race of mongrels. I understand that there is not more than one person there out of eight who is pure white."

Oh yeah. He was a human rights champion all right....
Lets not even get started on the topic of Lincoln's support of the IL state constitution that forbade blacks from moving there, or the reason he wanted to deport blacks to begin with, which was to "reduce the supply of black labor by colonizing the black laborer out of the country, and by precisely so much you increase the demand for and wages of white labor" Lincoln's State of the Union address, Dec 1862

Do you not know the difference between voluntary colonization, which Lincoln supported, and forced deportation, which was claimed? .....That is a far cry from rounding them up, forcing them on ships and sending them back the same way their ancestors got here. As was claimed Lincoln advocated.
Who claimed this? I should have addressed this in my previous post, but please look through my posts and show me where i "claimed" Lincoln advocated this. In fact, I simply pointed out he was in favor state funded deportation. You read words that were not there. Am I now your straw man as well?