Posted on 09/30/2010 3:55:02 AM PDT by golux
Some passing reference?????
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."
Thank you for posting this. Once again, I find out just how much I don’t know and/or how much I thought I knew might be wrong.
How southerners can keep the Confederate Flag:
1)Praise it as a symbol of when the Democrats created their own country.
2)Remind everyone Democrats wanted to keep slavery legal.
3)Say it only symbolizes Democrat rebellion against Evil republicans conservatives
4)Say that if the country doesn’t let them fly the confederate flag they are going to create long internet threads where they basically say they were always right to begin with and stomp their feet like children when they are proven wrong..
Actually that is incorrect. But even if it were true, Thomas Jefferson was proposing that same thing decades before.
The struggle was about political power and Lincoln’s fear that slavery leaning states would gain the upper hand politically.
When Lincoln was inaugurated there were 15 slave states and over 20 free states. I don't think he was worried about the balance of political power. It was trending in the non-slavery direction and had been for some time.
As far as I’m concerned, Southerners can keep the rebel flag by saying, “We’re keeping the flag and anyone who doesn’t like it can go to hell.” Ass this hoopla is of your own doing, you can’t blame this one on the Yankees.
You’re welcome! I pray this one is read far and wide.
“The Republican Party platform of 1856 declared ‘all unoccupied territories of the United States, and as such as they may hereafter acquire, shall be reserved for the white Caucasian race – a thing that cannot be except by the exclusion of slavery.’ Lincoln added that keeping slavery out of the territories would free them from the ‘troublesome presence of free Negroes.’ The New York Tribune said that barring slavery from the territories would ‘give them an opportunity to become what New England is now,” namely a uniquely white, morally superior, and enthusiastically commercial society unpolluted by Africans and racially compromised Southerners.”
Donald W. Livingston (professor of Philosophy, Emory University “Why the War was not about Slavery” Confederate Veteran Sept./Oct. 2010
Few people in any part of the country viewed slavery as anything other than a violation of Natural Law. Yankees wanted the South to fix it at no cost to itself. And under no circumstances did the North want those horrible black people coming north.
Well, yes, they did say that, but you're reading it literally, like some lawyer reading the fine print of a municipal bond. Don't overlook the more important part that spoke of "advocat[ing] negro equality, socially and politically."
All in all, the document is like a testament to human freedom, sort of an American Magna Carta.
Thanks for posting. I had posted it not knowing that a discussion was going on about this article already. I think it’s a great piece and the Southern cause for secession may be a foreshadowing of things to come in this country today. It’s not only Southern history that is being expunged, but American history as a whole. The natives have become the aliens, and now we are being dictated to by those who come to rape and pillage this once great country. And it starts from the top - right in DC.
imh...most all conflicts (99.9%) throughout the history of this planet has been. Someone(s) removing money from someone(s), those someone(s) have an opposite and equal reaction and presto....conflict.
Lee’s warcrimes included murder of captured US soldiers, forcing captured US soldiers to prepare defenses, and torture of captured US soldiers.
Of course you will claim that was legal too.
All in all the document is what it is. A declaration of their reasons for rebelling, their version of the Declaration of Independence. There is nothing noble or Magna Carta-ish about it. And if "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind..." required that they "...declare the causes" which impelled them to the separation then it's clear that cause was defending slavery.
Slavery was choking on too many slaves. Agriculture with slaves was not sustainable. The slave owners needed access to the territories, because slaves had to be kept ignorant to be slaves. Modern methods of crop rotation would would teach slaves to take care of their own land, and set the conditions for their independence. So slaves were kept ignorant, plantations were run into the ground, and crop yield dropped. A major source of income was the slave owner’s mixed race female children with black women. They were sold to brothels, for thousads of dollars.
The south had 4 Billion dollars in slave property (worth 8 trillion dollars today). Their intent was, after winning independence to capture Cuba, Mexico, and points south.
I know your culture. I served in Georgia, and worked in Texas. My brother lives in S. Carolina.
A lot of good people from the south. Sadly, too many are poorly educated about their history, but rather seize on the pleasant myths. Others are less good, and dream of the return of a position of unearned supremacy and opportunities for thuggish behavior free of consequency.
I know your culture. I served in Georgia, and worked in Texas. My brother lives in S. Carolina.
A lot of good people from the south. Sadly, too many are poorly educated about their history, but rather seize on the pleasant myths. Others are less good, and dream of the return of a position of unearned supremacy and opportunities for thuggish behavior free of consequence.
No it didn't.
1856 Republican Party Platform
Few people in any part of the country viewed slavery as anything other than a violation of Natural Law.
Name one Southern leader of the period who viewed it as such.
And under no circumstances did the North want those horrible black people coming north.
Under no circumstances did the South want that to happen either. They wanted them right where they were, in bondage.
Well, maybe it was all about slavery, but have you ever tried to view slavery as a necessary step on the path to human freedom? The Framers of Mississippi's Declaration of Secession knew the historical role they were playing, furthering the long struggle for human liberty.
And peace.
No I admit that it never occured to me to looked at slavery that way.
The Framers of Mississippi's Declaration of Secession knew the historical role they were playing, furthering the long struggle for human liberty.
Considering that struggle had been going on since the territory was founded, and that they expected to hand slavery down to their posterity, it was an long, long, looooong struggle. And that's how they wanted it to stay.
Re: the Platform: you have your authority and I have mine; there is no point in arguing about a fact.
One Southern leader: R. E Lee.
And under no circumstances did the North want those horrible black people coming north.
Under no circumstances did the South want that to happen either. They wanted them right where they were, in bondage.
You actually come close to making the right point. But you demonstrate typically northern adolescent inability here to differentiate between a moral point abstractly considered and the practical moral one. Southerners were not generally spiritually perfect when it came to slavery. Neither were Northerners. The latter however, were physically removed from the consequences of having to deal with black people. It is the North’s refusal to admit complicity that prolongs the pain.
Look, I want immediate repeal of the 16th amendment. But without adequate preparation for the massive economic dislocation that would
Ooooooo!!! Can we get your autograph!!!
/sarc
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