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To: Dutchboy88
"Sure; most of us here use English dialects; some are fluent in Greek and other languages."

Yes, of course that is what I asked. No wonder Rome has fooled itself into believing its own propaganda.

Actually, it IS what you asked - you wanted help with the language of Catholics.

Here is where (among other places) we depart...radically. You evidently must be concluding you comply or you would not have said it is for "You, me, everyone."

Are you paying attention to anything I have said? I have repeatedly said that we are instructed by the Lord to persevere. No one is perfect who is not God. Yet we must, when we fall short of the mark in sin, get up again and keep walking the Via of Christ. Perseverence of the saints is not a bestowed static state that drops on one from above - it is with the Grace of God that does come from above, that we can, not have to persevere.

Sorry, but the perfection you seek from your life is not available. That is the message of the Gospel.

The message of the Gospel is this: Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

And, your previous remarks claimed there was no reference to DB88 and I noted there were no references to the Roman Catholic Church. You come back with remarks about a "catholic" church (meaning universal, not CatholicTR).

St. Ignatius is clear - the Church is Catholic - capital C, with the Apostolic succession in full force.

This substantiates a new country run by a pope?

Don't like Vatican City? Do you prefer the despotic tyranny of Calvin's Geneva? How about the iron hand of the state Calvinist religions in the American colonies?

Then look in Mark 9:26, that is REALLY about me (it says, "boy"). The self-proving fog that Rome lives in is evident.

Okay, I believe you that you are a convulsing boy. How does that show that Rome has a self proving fog?

169 posted on 10/04/2010 7:54:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
"Are you paying attention to anything I have said? I have repeatedly said that we are instructed by the Lord to persevere>"

Well, I am trying to keep up with you as you randomly dodge the issues. You are fairly good at it and chasing you is a little like chasing the cat around the house. Please re read the posts. We were not talking about persevering at all. We were talking about the applicability of the Law as Jesus taught it in the Gospels. We were talking about how the Gospel records fit into the total message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You have errantly equated the demand by Jesus to be, "...perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect." as an encouragement to "persevere." This is a sample of Rome's theology wherein the lines are smeared until the message of Christ is "Be a good Catholic boy and we'll take care of the rest."

"The message of the Gospel is this: Matthew 22:36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?" 37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Mark, if only you would have kept reading to the very next verse. 40, "On these two commandments depend the whole Law (of Moses) and the Prophets (of the old covenant)." And should you have bothered to continue reading you would have noticed that Jesus further instructed them to, do all that the Pharisees had commanded, which just happened to be ALL of the Law of Moses.

Paul clearly sets out that while the Law itself was holy, no man ever did it. Not them, not you. "Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for 'The righteous man shall live by faith.' However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, 'He who practices them shall live by them.'" Gal. 3. The whole world changed at the cross. That is what makes it such a One-Time event. But, if you want be obedient unto salvation, you better do it perfectly...or face judgment.

The believers in Christ (sometimes called anti-Catholics) state unequivocally that Rome has it wrong. Good hermeneutics (beginning with reading the whole story through) yield a much different take on how a man becomes saved. The Roman mixture of works/faith/obedience/membership/ceremony/ritual is straight from hell. It is the modern Judaizers amalgam of every religious gimmick cooked up and foisted on the public by unprincipled men. I believe that last phrase is Peter's.

"Apostolic succession in full force?" That sounds like a vacuum cleaner salesman. There is nothing about such an idea in the Book, but you conveniently ignore that when something requires only headquarters to say it is so. There is plenty about this around 300+AD when Rome gets its bathrobes fluffed up.

Despotic tyranny of Geneva versus getting one's legs and arms dislocated on the rack of the inquisitor's "kind efforts to extract the truth"? Let's see...Geneva. Any day.

170 posted on 10/05/2010 8:23:38 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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