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To: chilltherats

Would we be having this discussion if the one fellow had simply provided his ID when it was asked of him? I think not. It was a reasonable request, whether lawful or not, and apparently the other 4 men complied but this one did not. Was he looking for a confrontation or not?


233 posted on 09/23/2010 9:16:36 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

It can’t be reasonable unless it is lawful.

Since the request for the ID wasn’t lawful, then the man who declined to show his ID was not seeking a confrontation. He was seeking respect for the law and his rights. The person violating the law, the cop, was seeking the confrontation by his direct action of violating the law through abuse of his authority.

If the other four allowed their rights to be violated, their decision does not make it incumbent on the fifth man to agree to have his rights violated as well. eg.: Your four buddies decide to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. Does their foolishness somehow confer a duty on you to also act foolishly and jump?


242 posted on 09/23/2010 9:30:12 AM PDT by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Past Your Eyes
no...2/5 refused and were cuffed, searched then cited for 'obstruction...the other 3, who complied with 'papers please' are now being jacked up for a 'crime' as well...

cops overstepped...they shoulda been talkin to granny and educating her, if not citing her...

now the tyrants need to pay for their criminal behavior...

249 posted on 09/23/2010 9:48:32 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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