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Restaurant incident reveals confusion over open carry(WI)
madison.com ^ | 21 September, 2010 | SANDY CULLEN

Posted on 09/23/2010 5:24:36 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: ltc8k6

What???

How ‘bout ...

“Me compadres call me Blueflag, and this here is lt. col 8k6.”

that won’t work?

My name jose jimenez ....


261 posted on 09/23/2010 10:49:27 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

“His name was Robert Paulsen.”


262 posted on 09/23/2010 11:01:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: Blueflag

There you go.

No speak english...


263 posted on 09/23/2010 11:43:14 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
"Disorderly conduct. Whoever, in a public or private place, engages in violent, abusive, indecent, profane, boisterous, unreasonably loud or otherwise disorderly conduct under circumstances in which the conduct tends to cause or provoke a disturbance is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor."

From the description of the incident, NONE of the above happened.

264 posted on 09/23/2010 11:46:38 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Dead Corpse

First rule - there is no Fight Club ;-)


265 posted on 09/23/2010 11:59:02 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag

And if this is your first time to Fight Club, you HAVE to fight!


266 posted on 09/23/2010 12:01:32 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: marktwain
More info at the Wisconsin Carry site.
267 posted on 09/23/2010 12:04:20 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: ltc8k6
Which gives huge leeway for an officer’s reasonable suspicion that you’ve been disorderly. Especially if he already has a complaint or two about you.

Properly sworn complaint or anonymous tip on 911?

268 posted on 09/23/2010 12:44:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Pardon him...he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe ... are the laws of nature)
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To: Triple

Thank you, nice stretch.


269 posted on 09/23/2010 4:31:19 PM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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To: Dead Corpse

One officer could have spoken to the manager, even over the phone, and asked if everything was alright. Then say, “Give us a call if things change.”

That’s a proper investigation.


270 posted on 09/23/2010 10:54:38 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: antiRepublicrat

The only way reasonable suspicion could be met is if one of them was overheard saying something like, “I couldn’t get a concealed-carry permit because of my felony conviction. I’m relegated to carrying out in the open. Hope my parole officer never finds out.”


271 posted on 09/23/2010 11:01:17 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: nuconvert; All

New information about this case. Here is a link to the posted Examiner article. The article has a link to the audio of the 911 call.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2595369/posts

The caller simply doesn’t know that open carry is legal. She regrets calling, and says that their is no problem.


272 posted on 09/24/2010 5:09:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“their” should be “there” Sorry.


273 posted on 09/24/2010 5:12:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Portnoy; All

I used to follow Drum and Bugle Corps, and back in the Seventies (even then) the all-male drum corps from Madison, ‘The Madison Scouts’, was widely known as ‘the Madithon Scouths’. In the Eighties, they became openly homosexual.

Like most people who understand liberalism, there is a map, going from East to West...Cambridge, MA, Ithaca, NY, Madison, WI and Berkeley, CA...

This story surprises me not in the least.


274 posted on 09/24/2010 5:36:24 AM PDT by rlmorel (Puritianism is the fear someone is having fun. Liberalism is the fear someone is making money...)
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To: Past Your Eyes

It’s called having a chip on your shoulder and asking for a fight.

Just who has that chip?

Just who is being forced to change their perceptions with regard to the true power of the people?

W


275 posted on 09/24/2010 6:56:34 AM PDT by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: WLR

Well, we know for sure of one that did.
As for you second question, I don’t even know what you mean. It’s not like I could ever give you a satisfactory answer anyway.


276 posted on 09/24/2010 9:33:49 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: All

Here is a link to another story about the case.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2595369/posts?page=3


277 posted on 09/24/2010 11:02:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: ltc8k6
It’s crystal clear. An officer can suspect a crime with no crime. It’s common sense.

An officer may legitimately believe someone committed a particular crime, even if it happens that the suspected crime was not in fact committed. An officer may pull someone over because the person is driving erratically and the he believes the person is probably driving under the influence. If the person is in fact sober, it's entirely possible no crime was committed (it may be the person's first time behind the wheel outside a driver's ed class) but until the cop discovers otherwise, the particular crime of DUI remains a realistic possibility. What particular crime did the cops have reason to believe was committed?

278 posted on 09/24/2010 4:21:00 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Electric Graffiti
1. Fine the lady for calling 911 because she’s confused and stupid.

It's not against the law to be confused or stupid. No fine required or allowed.

2. Fire the 911 operator for not enquiring what the purpose of the call was, exactly what was going on, why the lady is calling 911 and the ultimately why the operator dispatched a car to the scene.

No way in Hell. 911 operators do not have the authority to remotely assess any situation in lieu of sending the appropriate response, whether it be police, fire or ems. In the case of false reports 911 operators hand the call directly to the police who have the power to cite the individual for abuse. What's important to understand here is that the 911 operator ALWAYS hands the call off, always.

3.) Fine the police for not asking who called 911 when they got to the scene and not ticketing her for abusing it’s function. Investigate why the police were harassing certain individuals for no reason.

Again, extreme ignorance. There is no reason to believe that she gave a false statement or abused the system. Feeling threatened because she was ignorant of Wisconsin's open carry law is not a crime, nor does it rise to the occasion of abuse. There is a complete lack of malice on the caller's part. She made a mistake and was scared for nothing.

279 posted on 09/27/2010 3:31:10 PM PDT by Melas
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To: CynicalBear
In a state that it’s legal to open carry there was no reason the police should have even responded unless additional information about illegal activity was included.

Too much liability. If the police hadn't shown up, and instead of 5 guys legally carrying, it turned out to be 5 thugs intent on mischief it would be legally damning if they hadn't responded. Keep in mind, that for good reason, assessments aren't done remotely. 911 Always hands off.

280 posted on 09/27/2010 3:37:32 PM PDT by Melas
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