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Christine O'Donnell, Tolkien scholar
Salon ^ | 09/16/2010 | Tracy Clark-Flory

Posted on 09/16/2010 10:09:21 AM PDT by Pyro7480

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To: eCSMaster

“Ents for O’Donnell”
:-}


41 posted on 09/16/2010 11:33:02 AM PDT by Laulee
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To: BelegStrongbow

I disagree; that scene weakened Frodo as a character. Remember, in the book, he faced the Nazgul at the ford alone; his companions dove out of the way of the charging riders, knowing that if the elven-horse Frodo rode could not save him, nothing would.

That scene is about Frodo, on his own, rejecting the evil call of the Lord of the Nazgul to come to them and surrender the ring.

The movie scene puts Frodo, symbolically, into the role of a frightened “child” that must be protected by “mother”.


42 posted on 09/16/2010 11:33:35 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: BelegStrongbow

Forgot to add:

The Arwen of the book, though sheltered by a father who did not want to lose her as he had lost her mother, acted in ways that supported the male characters without either diminishing them or emasculating them.


43 posted on 09/16/2010 11:35:08 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: BelegStrongbow
I’m quite aware of Arwen’s canonical stance. It is partly a result...

Well.....um.....I read the entire Lord of the Rings from the inside of a freezer while sailing on the Bering Sea. Kinda cool eh! :)
44 posted on 09/16/2010 11:41:27 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Pyro7480

Well, it’s official.

I now know more about Christine O’Donnell after three days than I know about Obama after three years.


45 posted on 09/16/2010 11:42:21 AM PDT by Egon (The difference between Theory and Practice: In Theory, there is no difference.)
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To: Immerito

Ah. Wasn’t addressing the effect on the film as a whole, just on Liv’s performance. In context, it is second only to having Pippin fool Treebeard as a desecration of the text and your analysis is right on. I actually whispered this to my son as we watched. He nodded: he’d read the book too (he was 11, btw).

And I have pointed out I belive that Elijah Wood was only physically correct for the part. Frodo was 50 when he had to run for it, not 19. Elijah was too young for the part and could not deliver much in the way of dynamics. He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.


46 posted on 09/16/2010 11:44:24 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: mmichaels1970

So you could relate to the Helcaraxe, I see!


47 posted on 09/16/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: roses of sharon

Tolkein did a nice job of writing for being pretend


48 posted on 09/16/2010 11:49:22 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: BelegStrongbow

“He mostly looked like someone was using a taser on him through most of the film, IMHO.”

Clearly, one of the most nefarious abilities of the One Ring is to give its Bearer a wide-eyed, frightened face throughout 9+ hours of film. :-)


49 posted on 09/16/2010 11:49:35 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: roses of sharon

Of course it’s all real; I saw Rivendell, Hobbiton, Rohan, Minas Morgul and Gondor on film between 2001-2003.

You can’t tell ME they were fake sets put up against bluescreen or New Zealand landscape. :-)


50 posted on 09/16/2010 11:52:04 AM PDT by Immerito
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To: BelegStrongbow
So you could relate to the Helcaraxe, I see!

You're TOO good! Only if Helcaraxe were to sway from side to side I suppose.
51 posted on 09/16/2010 11:54:12 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Immerito

But even in the book Frodo needed to be protected by elven magic to cross the ford (with Fashionable Accents by Gandalf (TM))


52 posted on 09/16/2010 11:54:32 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Immerito

Did you notice it even worked on Sam? When Frodo asks for the ring back, Sam’s eyes get real wide for just a moment. Thankfully, Sean is good enough to have that been enough, mans up and hands over.

Next shot of Elijah was best in the films: the look of the junkie getting his fix.


53 posted on 09/16/2010 11:58:57 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow

Very true


54 posted on 09/16/2010 12:00:49 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: mmichaels1970

Hey, while you’re swinging the Helcaraxe (sound effects by Mandos), could you tell Turgon’s wife he’s really worried?


55 posted on 09/16/2010 12:01:02 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: BelegStrongbow
could you tell Turgon’s wife he’s really worried?

I could swear I just saw her around here somewhere....

Just so you know, I only read the Lord of the Rings ONCE while inside the freezer.
56 posted on 09/16/2010 12:05:17 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

I was cheating because my username is from the First Age. It’s from the Silmarillion. I guess the orthodox reaction would be to suggest you would have voted to go over Caradhras. As an elf, of course, I would have just walked on the snow and been a-ok. Woulda felt bad for the periannath, of couse. :)


57 posted on 09/16/2010 12:08:55 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Pyro7480; ecurbh

It’s hubby who has the ring ping list... :~)

Might have to dust it off!


58 posted on 09/16/2010 12:39:00 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Pyro7480
believed that looking at pornography was cheating.

It is, according to God! (Mat.5:28)

59 posted on 09/16/2010 12:45:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: fortheDeclaration

Can’t you just see the campaing slogan:

DON’T NEED NO MORALS??

VOTE DEMOCRATIC!!


60 posted on 09/16/2010 12:51:34 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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