Posted on 09/08/2010 11:50:01 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Turkey, with help from Germany, to become 'submarine manufacturer'
ANKARA — Turkey has launched a project to produce an advanced naval submarine.
Turkey's Defense Ministry and Navy have been working with Germany in the coproduction of four electric-diesel submarines. The coproduction effort has taken place with Germany's ThyssenKrupp for the Type 214 submarine. "This is a huge project that will make Turkey into a submarine manufacturer," an official said.
The submarine project was expected to cost about $2.5 billion. Officials said the first platform could be delivered to the Navy in 2015.
The Navy has been building three of the submarines in Turkey. Officials said Turkey would also help design electronic subsystems for the underwater platforms.
Turkey has been engaged in several major naval projects. One called for the assembly of up to 11 small frigates in a project estimated at $2 billion.
Not knowing too much about this development... I’d say Russia is going to be exceedingly aggrieved by this action...
Really no big deal here. The Russians have had little or no leverage with the Turkish military, which has operated German subs for more than two decades now.
the major issue I see with this is that it gives the ability to produce complex weapons systems to an increasingly Islamic government...
Israel would be in its rights to bomb the shipyard.
A turkey sub...sounds pretty good to me.
Halal, no cheese
Dry dock “hor dourves”, anyone?
And Turkey is threatened by whom??? (for if their security is not threatened by any of their neighbors, then from what is the requirement for the submarines)
and how useful are the diesel subs in the mediteranian.
Greece and Turkey have not been the best of friends, and military spending by either country is due to the other. Thus, the military expenditure.
Although, even if Turkey and Greece were bosom buddies, Turkey still has (as a sovereign nation with a good economy and strong industry) the right to buy whatever it wants (and can get ...in its case all the way to the F-35 JSF) to defend itself. Also, unlike other nations (e.g. Egypt, Israel, Pakistan ...that receive US military aid), Turkey pays its own way when it comes to its US$ 12 billion military budget.
“Very” would be the answer. Although the Black Sea is also a primary deployment area.
The question was never about what Turkey has a "right" to do. It was about where is the THREAT to Turkey.
You said:
"Greece and Turkey have not been the best of friends, and military spending by either country is due to the other. Thus, the military expenditure.
Not true. The "military expenditures" have for a long time now been MOSTLY aout the military establishments in both countries promoting their establishments and the industries that serve them AS IF any majority on the other side (in Greece or Turkey) any longer believed that either military threats or military action was going to resolve any of their long-running disputes; when majorities on both sides no longer believe the disputes CAN OR WILL be resolved militarily.
Also, both are members of NATO, which presumes that NATO members are pledged to come to the defense of each other which presumes they will not militarily threaten the security or sovereign territory of the other. Which has reinforced the lack of any big push by either side to militarily press their luck over the status-quo.
However, at this time, Turkey's military ambitions are beginning to exceed that "status-quo". Turkey's exercising its "rights" in terms of what it does with its military NOT because there is any new, increased, additional threat to its security or sovereign territory, by Greece or anyone else, but because LIKE MANY RISING ISLAMIST states (which is what Turkey has become under its current national leaders), Turkey is seeking to be seen as a regional power to be reckoned with, in ways that won't be fully apparent until it reaches some power-status in which IT CAN BE A THREAT TO OTHERS. That's what's going on.
What agency of the government of Turkey, or U.S. PR agency working for Turkey, did you say you belong to?
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