In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]

Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

[earlJam]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

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I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

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By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 

[a fool in paradise]

I'm happy to see folks burning the United Nations flag.

If you burn a Unitarian religious text, does the whole thetistic world get upset?

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Good post. Food for thought. :-)

[Yet_Again]

The Old Testament is also filled with references to killing women, children and animals, and taking the goods in areas that were occupied by idolators. Do you support that as well? First, "filled with" is a mischaracterization designed to malign the Old Testament. Yes, on occasion God did give these instructions to the Israelites. All a modern has to do to understand the reasoning behind such instructions is to look at the Islamic world. Some things are so corrupt they are simply beyond reform.

[Crim]

“So.... you wouldn’t have a problem with witches burning the Bible? Or filthy communists burning the flag?”

If you’re asking if it offends me....the answer is yes...

So what...lots of stuff offends me....I dont go ape shit over it and threaten to Riot and murder...

If you’re asking If I have issues with the 1st Amendment...the answer is No...

“Both of these, along with the Koran burning, are legal under the First Amendment.”

And that should be the end of the argument...This is still America.

If the muslims dont like it they can pound sand...

“But all three of these are offensive and pointless, in my opinion.”

And legal...like drawing a cartoon of Mohammed...

[af_vet_rr]

They are putting themselves in harms way

My son and everybody else who is serving in the military in Afghanistan or Iraq are putting themselves in harm's way.

This little "church" is not.

This little "church" is looking for attention. If the members of this church want to get off their butts and actually do something meaningful, they can call on their members to give up their comfy civilian lives and join the military and actually fight the radicals in the Middle East. That's a hard thing to do and from what I've seen, few, if any of their members are up to the task.

They could go and become Christian missionaries or aid workers in the Middle East or Africa, and help spread the teachings of Christ, but again, that's difficult and requires giving up comfy lives and comfy jobs. Burning books is so much easier and lazier and can be done from the comfort of your hometown.

Personally, I'm not buying into what this "church" is selling. They support Westboro Baptist Church, and they are conveniently drawing attention away from the mosque in NYC, and the media is helping them do that.

Jesus wouldn't sit around burning books, he would be out there reaching out too muslims and spreading the Word. These people are just lazy and helping Obama out.

[ohioWfan]

Just for the record, I am a big fan of the Old Testament and read through it (along with the New Testament) every year. I regret that more pastors don't preach from the Old Testament because it is rich in wisdom and imperative in understanding who God is, with all His attributes.

The idea, therefore, that my comment about the many times the Israelites were instructed by God to wipe out their enemies is an attempt to "malign" it is a spurious argument.

Burning the Koran and endangering our troops is a bad idea, and this wayward, attention-seeking 'pastor' is out of line. His support of Fred Phelps is a good indicator that his character is deeply flawed.

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Excellent post!!!!

[ohioWfan]

Wow. GREAT post, af_vet. On the money. Thanks!

[chessplayer]

“This little “church” is looking for attention. If the members of this church want to get off their butts and actually do something meaningful, they can call on their members to give up their comfy civilian lives and join the military and actually fight the radicals in the Middle East.”

Never happen,,,never. Because they agree with Phelps that our troops are monsters and God hates them. Why would they join something that they believe God hates.

[Polybius]

You assume much if you think I’m Catholic just because I happen to be of Cajun heritage. I’m not Catholic, never have been and the majority of my ancestors ....

You seem to be extremely touchy about sectarian religion differences. It seems as if you go out of your way to pick religious fights. A simple, "Well, actually, I am not Catholic" would have sufficed.

Sorry about that. Change the analogy accordingly.

"If a Jewish veterans group started burning New Testaments to protest the nutjobs of the Westboro Baptist Church insulting the families at the funerals of U.S. soldiers, would you, as a Protestant, not be insulted by the misguided burning of the New Testament?"

There. Fixed it.

In regards to "illiterates", Calvin was no illiterate. It was the "learned" who could write just as easily in Latin as in the native language who spawn to religious fanaticism of the 16th Century just like , right now, you seem to think that all 1 Billion plus Muslims in the world are exactly alike.

As has been pointed out time and again, Islam is not just a religion but a total system of governing.

As I pointed out, repeatedly, you have just described "Islamism".

All Islamists are Muslims. Only a minority of Muslims are Islamists.

The Old Testament was also a recipe for a "total system of governing" to the point that the Old Testament advocated genocide against some nonbelievers.

Today, only religious nutjobs, such as the ones you are defending now, hold to such beliefs.

Most modern Muslims do NOT hold to such belief for the very simple reason that they do not want the Religious Police controlling every detail of their lives.

One of the issues is the move of stifling free speech.

If it were a matter of "stifiling free speech", the pastor would be in a U.S. Government jail right now.

The pastor is not being told that CANNOT do it. The pastor is being told that he is stupidly putting American troops in added danger by doing it.

The fact of the matter is that, as the title of this thread states, this religious nutjob pastor is cut from the same cloth as Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church.

"In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]"

This guy WANTS to put U.S. troops in increased danger and he wants more of them to die because of his sick beliefs.

Go to the start of the thread and see the girl trampling on the American flag. Look up the news stories about how these maggots go to funerals of U.S. soldiers to taunt the families that they deceased loved one is burning in Hell for having served in the U.S. military.

If the moderates wish to change things they will have to do more than they are doing now.

We are talking about effects in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

You do not feel that these Iraqi "moderates" are doing enough? Risking their lives to fight against the Islamist nutjobs is not good enough for you? You feel a need to insult them to, right along with the Islamist fanatics?

[christianhomeschoolmommaof3]

Well done!

[mnehring]

Very good information. I’ve been digging around this all afternoon and I have a suspicion the Dove people are also Tachmonites or something similar. Some of their ‘devotionals’ actually read a lot like the Branch Dividians.

[MS.BEHAVIN]

I am honored to do it, and thank you so very much for your kind words!

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[Jaded]

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[Polybius]

Well done!

Thanks.

It seems that Sarah Palin has also weighed in on the matter.

Palin: Koran burning is 'unnecessary provocation'

"People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation -- much like building a mosque at Ground Zero," said the former Alaska governor.

[Immerito]

Yep. Agreed.

[Immerito]

Thanks for that article.

[Immerito]

“I would be interested if anyone can verify the allegations made by conservative radio hosts that these guys were on a previous Bible burning agenda.”

Which conservative radio hosts?

I think that the best course of action would be to contact the conservative radio hosts and inquire about their sources.