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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

/snip

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: CajunConservative
The problem is that the muslims are slowly attempting to bring their “beliefs ‘ to America and demand that we follow their “laws” . ...... Needs repeating over and over and over again.

You have described an "Islamist".

It is extremely important to know the difference between an "Islamist" and a "Muslim".

See Post 188.

"Islamists" is to "Muslim" as "the Spanish Inquisition" is to "Catholic".

All Islamists are Muslims but the large majority of Muslims are not Islamists.

Insulting all Muslims, including our Iraqi and Afghan allies that are fighting with us against the Islamist nutjobs, is as senseless as attacking all Catholics in order to lash out against Irish Republican Army terrorism.


An Iraqi Army soldier and U.S. Army soldiers from Delta Co., 1st Combined Arms Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment stand guard during a joint patrol in Mosul,

201 posted on 09/08/2010 8:18:16 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: ohioWfan

Very good points you make. I was trying to think of a similar analogy.

I am against Obama’s policies. Code Pink is against Obama’s policies. He is too liberal for me and too conservative for them. I am not anything like Code Pink.


202 posted on 09/08/2010 8:22:14 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: ohioWfan; P-Marlowe

The church of Acts burned their own books that they had used in defiance of God. After they became Christians they burned the books as a testimony of their changed hearts.

I doubt this demonstration has similar motives.


203 posted on 09/08/2010 8:24:08 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: r9etb

I have heard reference to this small congregation or vanity church having held up book burnings of bibles that didn’t meet their denominations standards before. Apparently they were claiming that non-King James Version bibles needed to be or were to be burned.

They couldn’t get any media traction and everyone locally knew them for who they were.

So now this Phelps supporting church has the Mosque controversy to gain attention and they come up with burning Korans. Talk about attention trolls.

I would be interested if anyone can verify the allegations made by conservative radio hosts that these guys were on a previous Bible burning agenda.


204 posted on 09/08/2010 8:31:02 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: r9etb

I agree.

Plus it knocks Obama’s response to the Ground Zero Mosque off of the front pages.


205 posted on 09/08/2010 8:31:40 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: Polybius

I read it. Aren’t most of the new mosques and prison imams Wahhabi’s?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/obama_was_wrong_to_make_the_mo.html (stats at the link)

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2005/12/expert-saudis-have-radicalized-80-of-us-mosques.html


206 posted on 09/08/2010 8:32:14 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
The Code Pink analogy is a good one.

Are we "singing in the chorus" with Code Pink?

Not even close.

207 posted on 09/08/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Oh yeah! I made a good point. :)


208 posted on 09/08/2010 8:34:17 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Really, really, really good point about that Acts passage, christian. Thanks!

That was an act of symbolism of their own repentance, and was guided by the Holy Spirit.

This act is no such animal. The comparison is not valid.

209 posted on 09/08/2010 8:35:38 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
TWO good points.

:)


210 posted on 09/08/2010 8:43:33 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Also, Hindu’s oppose the Muslim Jihad.

So I guess our opposition to Jihad makes us all Hindus.

We are Code Pinking Hindus who love Obama.


211 posted on 09/08/2010 8:46:00 AM PDT by earlJam
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To: ohioWfan

Thanks! I am tired of seeing this Scripture used out of context to support the actions of this church.

They have every Constitutional right to burn the books. I don’t think it is wise and is NOT Scriptural.


212 posted on 09/08/2010 8:47:11 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: earlJam

A more apt description of me, there never was. ;)


213 posted on 09/08/2010 8:48:45 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Totally agree.

Think of all the times Scripture is taken completely out of its context, and stripped of its original intent to make a political point.

It is bad practice.

(There are probably a few people who couldn't find the book of Acts in a Bible and have never read it before, who are now using it as a political weapon, and probably a few right here on this forum....)

214 posted on 09/08/2010 8:51:17 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Why?

It is symbolic. It hurts no one”

Perhaps the govt. (left-wing or right-wing) should have big bonfire-book burning rallies and burn every book they don`t like.


215 posted on 09/08/2010 8:53:32 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: CajunConservative

Oh, by the way, the koran probably doesn’t have a proscription against penetration of a child if the child is not muslim. Infidels are no more than cockroaches to them. Keep your children close.


216 posted on 09/08/2010 9:05:31 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: Crim

When there is actually a fire.


217 posted on 09/08/2010 9:07:37 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: ichabod1

You win a cookie.

*grin*


218 posted on 09/08/2010 9:14:48 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear; mnehring
Ah,the detestable Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist posse.

I'm not a Baptist, but I would like to defend Baptists and other Christians from being tarnished by this Phelps stuff. When are the media ever going to notice that Phelps not only isn't Baptist, he doesn't even call himself Christian?

Link: http://eve-tushnet.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_eve-tushnet_archive.html#112474146614650981

What does Fred Phelps actually believe? It is, somehow, even weirder than you expected:

[From the link above]...In fact, it appears that Westboro has created not just an incredibly vulgar and non-Christlike approach to homosexuality, but that it's working on a new religion altogether, complete with new scriptures.

Members of WBC generally avoid the name "Christian" when referring to themselves, preferring the mysterious term "Tachmonite."

The Tachmonites believe Phelps is "the last prophet," with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell. Most people are destined for hell, but "Good Samaritans" who help the Tachmonites (for example, police officers who prevent counter-protesters from assaulting them) may be offered an indeterminate "reward" for their good conduct.

They've written their own scriptures, which are divided into two categories: "delectable epics" and "letters to heretics." The "delectable epics" (the term is the group's) are based loosely on Acts in the New Testament. The epics detail the Tachmonites' various protests against gays, President Bush, Elton John concerts, and the military and portray the Tachmonites alternately as invincible "super heroes" and defenseless victims of brutal rage. Some of the epics are in prose, and some in poetry. [And there's more...]

219 posted on 09/08/2010 9:28:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (" I never saw a more Spreading lot of Animals in my life, and in all the Wrong Places." - Eeyore)
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To: Polybius

History repeats itself. Only a small fraction of Germans were members of the nazi party ,yet thay controlled the actions of the other 95 % . 80% of all American mosques are funded and controlled by Saudi “Islamist”. These “allies” we have in Iraq are allowing Christian churches to be burned and Christians are being forced to leave the country.

Our goverment make a big issue about a few korans being burned here , but says nothing about hundreds of churches being burned by islamic terrorists in the mideast.

The burning of the koran is very similiar to the Boston Tea party, Citizens trying to wake a nation up .


220 posted on 09/08/2010 9:30:19 AM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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