Posted on 08/31/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
I think *most* social conservatives and have much more than that in common with *most* libertarians but let's just say you're right and it ends there.
Such simple goals should hardly contradict any of your goals and are perhaps a class of voters that should not be alienated.
I feel sullied after reading it!
Or as though I just attended a Steve Gaskin meeting at the Family Dog in San Francisco, 1969..... (shudder)
Actually, that would be Steven Gaskin mixed with the worst of the worst car salemen/telemarketers/New Ageism.
A really sickening mixture. Maybe I’ll be able to puke up the hash brownies!
Important to you, perhaps, but not so much to most Americans. Republicans (and Democrats) will need to adjust their thinking if they want to gain back some of the disaffected voters who've either joined minor parties or gone "independent" in the last several years.
While the "three-legged stool" does differentiate the R's from the D's to a degree, there are many more areas of agreement than many of us would like to see--and one of the most glaring is the tendency of both parties to make Washington responsible for fixing all the problems they see in America, from the cost of health care to how much water your toilet uses when you flush it.
The Tea Parties, in concentrating on the fiscal mess the Congress has created, have succeeded in avoiding the contentious issues of war and peace, abortion and how many mosques per square mile are needed in New York City. Some here wish they would "take a stand." This would be their undoing, as their success (as contrasted to the Republican Party) can only be attributed to not taking a stand on such matters which, though important to some, are divisive and unrelated to the primary goal: shrinking the federal government's budget and its control over so many areas of society.
I'm with you on that much.
So you see why we should be careful in just how many social motives we want to cloud the room up with!
Let pro-lifers be pro-life! More power to them.
Let 12 visions people (who I'd never heard of before this post) do whatever it is they do.
Let the tea party be about smaller government.
One problem is that liber(al)tarians and “fiscal conservative/social liberals” is that they are actively antagonistic to social conservatism.
They are not “live and let live” at all, but inimical to social conservative goals. And they are generally duplicitous. They want to “win” and destroy social conservatism. They do not want to join up with, but dominate. This to me is the crux of the problem. And to top it off, they cannot debate fairly.
You mean they do things like making vague red herring generalizations about the other side and what it believes? ;~p
I’ve been “debating” with them for a long, long time and they are always the same.
They ignore stuff, repeat the same unprovable assertions based on mental ideas that have never worked and will never work in real life, etc.
It’s basically libertarianism, which is just another “kingdom of God without God” materialistic, unworkable fantasy.
The 12 Vision Party is just another incarnation of the same pipe dream (they even have nice green smoke!), in spades, or perhaps taken to its logical conclusion. Although in reality, the conclusion would be quite, quite different from the ad copy.
If you don’t think they are antogonistic and trying for total dominance, read the articles and threads that waggelbee and I ping out daily, say for two weeks. Anyone not wearing cokebottle dark glass moral blinders will see exactly what I am talking about.
If anything I think the Mormon Church is more afraid that polygamy will become legal. I doubt if any of the current leadership in the LDS Church wants to reinstate it, but if it were made legal, then they would have a hard time preventing the true believers from following in Joseph Smith's crooked footsteps.
It would be hard for Mormons to continue to claim they are a mainstream religion if their membership went back to practicing polygamy.
The 12 vision party is a group of hippies. Not anything like any of the libertarian-leaning people I know, any more than Westboro is indicative of Baptist thought.
Hmm. I almost wish they would start pushing polygamy so they’d be more clear about what they really are.
I don’t know about that. I’ve debated and seen comments in the last few weeks just here on FR and another site that are all I’ve described and more. The line between “ultra leftist” and “libertine-arian” is pretty fuzzy.
Demanding one movement adopt the message of another under threat of some action is a hijacking. A hijacking by any other name is still a hijacking.
Answer the question: why does the pro-Life movement feel the need to hijack the Tea Party movement? What exactly is the point in distorting, diminishing and blurring the two messages together where they lose value, rather than have each shine brightly on its own?
So, if you were a liberal, what *would* you call abortion and gay marriage?
Once you empower the government to enforce your ideas on these matters... then, when the liberals take power, it has the power to enforce *their* ideas.
Bull. Complete bull.
Fiscal conservatives would like to see all issues resolved at the lowest level possible, by starving the federal government out of the equation... and don’t really care how it plays out.
So if it plays out to a social conservative point of view... fine. If not, fine.
But to you, little jeremiah, that *ISN’T* a ‘live and let live’ viewpoint. To which I say, “Riiiiight.”
Good points. However, the modern LDS does not condemn its prior position on polygamy, and it is still quietly practiced in many places.
hi, glad to see that you are back on the FR, how are you feeling??
LOL! Go get published in some respectable media outlets, and you might be able to do likewise ;-)
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