Posted on 08/31/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
You'll have to ask 'science', not me...
Science and medicine is who needs to be convinced to end abortion and get on board, IMHO. They're the ones doing them. Argue it to them based on proofs and use technology to show the truth. That's the way. Not religious based arguments. That's all.
Let's take another look at what EV wrote, which you dismiss as a "narrow view" of liberty that you don't want:
Those who have no regard for the unalienable rights of all, including the most helpless and innocent among us, will very soon find themselves deprived of their own rights and liberty.As for abortion... I think abortion will end when technology and medicine demands it end,
The "just let it run its course" approach was tried with slavery and damn near destroyed our Republic.
Such a Congress could outlaw funding of Planned Barrenhood and similar groups and gut many usurped powers of SCOTUS and inferior courts over Comrade O’s veto if possible.
The truth is already self-evident. Unfortunately, those who willfully shut their eyes have a hard time seeing what is right in front of their nose.
#154 was directed only at jla. The others were pinged as potentially interested.
I don't have a narrow view of EV... I've been around awhile.
This thread was about how the tea party will be successful in getting votes. My answer, quite simply is, make it a party that will lower my taxes and decrease the role of government in my life. Start bringing in religious and social issues, I think you weaken it through mission and focus creep. We already have the bloated GOP for that.
You are not only not a gentleman, you are an ignorant clod.
Outstanding post!
Fact is, we already have a GOP that has been doing exactly what you counsel for years. And you want the Tea Parties to be a mirror image of what has, because of its complete moral vacuity, already failed.
If we don’t campaign and win on family/life issues, we may win in the short term, but we will lose our country in the long run.
People like you need a serious history lesson.
Barry Goldwater was an abysmal FAILURE because he thought that conservatism was only about fiscal conservatism and a strong defense. Ronald Reagan recognized the need for social conservatism and won two landslides.
The people who want fiscal conservatism and the exclusion of social conservatism ARE NOT conservatives at all -- they are libertarians.
Oh if only that were true. Government would be smaller (it isn't). My taxes would be lower (they're still too high). We wouldn't have entire city blocks in DC and elsewhere devoted to government that just simply doesn't need to be there.
I'm not sure I'll ever get what I want.. For someone to have a genuine impact on the sheer bloat of government. It's become so huge it's beyond my ability to even picture it. But the tea party is the best chance I've seen lately, bless them and let's keep their backpacks light this time.
Not asking you to agree EV. I doubt you will. I just hope you don't get in the way. Have a nice day :~)
There are huge portions of the federal budget that don’t really rise and fall on a per capita basis (defense being the most obvious). If we continue to murder future generations, taxes will have to go up out of necessity. No nation in the history of the world has ever been successful if the population rate fell for an extended period of time.
I disagree. The Tea Party should remain focused on taxes and government spending. People wanting to focus on pro-Life issues should form a Life Party along similar lines. Membership in both parties may overlap, but they should remain distinct.
people forget quickly, even if roe is overturned it goes back to the states.
I would submit the best way to deal with this is to put in ratchet clicks the way the left has screwed up the country.
parental notification is one good way.
regardless, the abortion debate is a fast track method the rinos will used to kill the tea party. IOW the elites will abort the tea party with a smile.
That's not what I meant and I think you know it. What I was referring to was their complete uncomfortableness with addressing the core moral problems that are at the root of what is destroying America.
But hey, they'll keep telling you they're for lowering your taxes and limiting government! While they spend like LBJ on crack, and grow the government like FDR on steroids.
Never trust any politician who tells you the core moral questions don't matter. If they'll sell out the weak and helpless and treat their own oaths with contempt they WILL sell out anything and everything, with just a little bit of pressure. It's a certainty.
Which other unalienable rights besides the supreme right, the right to live, do you think should go "back to the states"?
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