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To: Normandy; Osage Orange
We believe sacrifice of Jesus Christ is universal in its effect and applies to the living and the dead. Those who don’t get the chance to hear the gospel in this life will hear it in the next world and will have the opportunity for baptism through baptisms for the dead.

They will? You mean to tell me the Lds church has a list of everybody's who's ever lived? Birth records?

C'mon, Normandy, the Lds church can't even tell you everybody who's alive on the planet now -- even 100 years from now, they won't be able to name even close to all those who lived in the year 2010 on Planet Earth.

Yet, you say proxy baptism is universal (or will be).

Have you done the math, Normandy? Let's go with a young earth math theory for the moment -- that the earth is only 6,000 years old.
#1 A few experts have concluded that if this is the case, we may have had still 30-60 billion people who have ever lived on the earth.
#2, Now, if the Earth suffers few major catastrophes over the next almost 1,000 years, how many people could the earth have by the year 3,000? (One estimate from WikiAnswers suggests 80-110 billion). http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_will_there_be_in_the_year_3000
#3 Now, toss in perhaps another 400-450 billion people who will have lived and died in the year 2000, 2100, 2200, etc. before the year 3,000 comes upon us.

My point? By the year 3,000 Mormons may have to smoke their computer genealogical war machine room to accommodate 500-600 billion plus people who lived from 4,000 B.C. to 3,000 A.D.

So give us the math breakdown, Normandy. Tell us. How many proxy baptisms will the average Mormon teen-ager have to perform in the temple over the next 13 generations (keep in mind the exact % of Mormon teens even involved in this process) to crank up the Mormon necro-baptism number to an eventual 500-600 billion?

You see, this is what happens when you let incredulity rule even basic logic. Mormons are "sold" on the "fairness" & "Justness" & "equality" argument that the door is (or eventually will be) "open" to "all."

But when you start asking them to define "all," they slouch away.
By "all," do you mean the pre-Gutenberg billions? (Uh...)
By "all," do you mean the "no records exist" for those who lived in the teen A.D. centuries? (Uh...)
By "all," do you mean the lack of worldwide temples & manpower mandated to even meet the current Lds fastfood Necro baptism machine need? (Never mind that no matter how many volunteers they grind up in their computer appetite clamoring for "More food...More food," it'll never ever catch up)

So, tell us Normandy your "math formula" for necro-baptizing the billions and billions and billions of known people ... never even mind the 30-60 billion who have already lived & whom you can't find any extant records for!

323 posted on 08/31/2010 6:41:44 PM PDT by Colofornian (=)
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To: Colofornian

Good post, thanks~


324 posted on 08/31/2010 6:50:39 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Obama's heart is blacker than the Devils riding boots..........)
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To: Colofornian; Normandy

I been reading your stuff recently and you really are wondering off into tinfoil land!


325 posted on 08/31/2010 6:57:33 PM PDT by restornu
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