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To: Vigilanteman; Elsie
I will make it easy for you. You accuse Elsie of lies and distortions yet he posts DIRECTLY from and takes the ideas from LDS doctrine.

So here is your chance to put up.

Show where the following are LIES...

“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.”
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

“You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...”
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88

“If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]”
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)

There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God”
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190

“I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, “Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;” if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again.”
- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155

“It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,”
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

If you know ANYTHING about true historic Christian beliefs you know that these run contrary to everything we believe and therefore PROVE that the LDS is not Christian.

However if these are lies and distortions PROVE it...

Here is your chance to shut us low lifes up!

383 posted on 08/30/2010 3:57:23 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22
People can preach whatever they want in their church. If I don't like it, I won't attend church there nor put money in the collection plate.

The problem is when these divisions push more critical issues off the stage in the political arena and allow the enemy to divide us so they can advance their agenda of Marxism and the substitution of blunt political force for God.

But you probably already knew that. Either because you are actively working for the enemy or because you are so blinded by your narrow religious bigotry that you are unable to understand you are working for the enemy.

Either way, reasoning with you or responding to you is an abject waste of time, because you will not be convinced. You've proven that by dragging petty religious divisions into a political thread.

And, yes, in the context of preserving American values and religious freedom for all, they are petty. You are on the same side as Howard Dean. So responding to you is a complete waste of time. Sorry that I did.

390 posted on 08/30/2010 7:20:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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