“Christianity as a foundation are irrelevant or impotent players.”
I never said that. I said that Christians, as a political force failed to stem the tide of government growth. A true statement to be sure. I also said that they don’t have a seat at the table of governance now - not that they shouldn’t or won’t ever.
Which groups were behind and promoted Proposition 8? Which groups opinions were singled out as factually irrelevant in the ruling?
Maybe, one can not fail UNLESS they do at first attempt to accomplish? Maybe, the path to eventual success is paved with occasional failures along the way?
I did not see the secular limited government engineers group anywhere -did you?
How exactly are you working to "stem the tide of government growth" -by whining about Christians that do something and HAVE done something for centuries?
Like I stated prior -lead, follow, or get out of the way...