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To: omegadawn
Children of CITIZENS be they born overseas ,shall be considered Natural born.

Two points. 1) that provision of the law applied to children born overseas and 2) the law in question is not loger in effect.

Citizenship comes from the parents not place of birth.

Not true. See the 14th amendemnt to the US Constitution.

In obama’s case IF he was born in Kenya , his mother was to young to convey citizenship under the laws in 1961, and thus making him a Kenyan national.

Not if her marriage to his dad was invalid, which is pretty likely given that he already had a wife back in Kenya when he married Stanely Ann. Under the laws at the time, a single mother of any age would convey citizenship. On the other hand, it's possible that Obama Sr.'s first marriage was a tribal ceremony not recognized by the state, in which case you would be right that she, as a married woman, would be too young to convey automatic citizenship.

At any rate, it's a moot point, since hew as born in Hawaii.

If obama was born in Hawaii,he would qualify as a native born citizen under the 14th amendment.

Native born and natual born are synonymous.

Native born because he held dual citizenship at birth(Kenyan) and thus disqualified from being President under Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

There's nothing in Article 2 of the constitution that disqualifies dual citizens from the presidency.

53 posted on 08/10/2010 10:06:20 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

The law that denied obama’s mother from conveying citizenship was later changed but the law was not retroactive. If obama was born in Kenya ,he is a kenyan national.

The 14th amendment grants citizenship to those born on American soil who have allegiance to the U.S.( SUBJECT TO)
(Ark’s parents had legally immigrated to the U.S.)

There has been no court legal document released to prove obama was born in Hawaii. ( press releases are not legal proof)

The Supreme Court has in a number of cases gave a definiton for Natural Born Citizen CHILDREN OF PARENTS WHO ARE U.S. CITIZENS
The Supreme Court in Wong KIm ARk declared Ark a native born citizen as his parents were not U.S. citizens prior to his birth.

obama has spent the last 2 years making sure that no one touches his birth or passport records, a reasonable person would wonder why. obama is using the legal system to “bury” his records so that they can not be used against him. If what you say is true and obama is a natural born citizen he would have no need to bury his birth and passport records so that they can not be used in court.


63 posted on 08/10/2010 12:41:32 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: curiosity
Not if her marriage to his dad was invalid, which is pretty likely given that he already had a wife back in Kenya when he married Stanely Ann. Under the laws at the time, a single mother of any age would convey citizenship. On the other hand, it's possible that Obama Sr.'s first marriage was a tribal ceremony not recognized by the state, in which case you would be right that she, as a married woman, would be too young to convey automatic citizenship.

Both of those statements only apply to birth outside the US. But the citizenship thus conveyed in either case is not Natural Born, it's via statute, and because Congress only has power to make naturalization laws, it's "naturalized at birth" citizenship.

The 14th amendment doesn't say all persons born in the US and subject to it's jurisdiction are "natural born" citiznes, just that they are citizens.

90 posted on 08/12/2010 5:20:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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