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To: Mase

“You’re surprised that they have idiots in China too? I’ll bet their idiots don’t know the difference between an opinion and a fact either.”

I wouldn’t call you an idiot; just quite arrogant. The people in China would be idiots if they didn’t believe their own eyes; but of course they do.

My local conventional supermarket doesn’t sell much organic food. There’s not much demand for it ... except for milk. They sell four different brands of organic milk, and it now takes up almost as much shelf space as cheaper conventional milk.

While the hormones in conventional milk may be chemically identical to those in organic milk, conventional dairy farmers may give large amounts of those synthetic hormones to their cows to induce continuous milk production. Some say all those hormones are inactivated by pasteurization, but ... people tend to believe their own eyes.

“Facts” in medicine are very difficult to establish. So the average intelligent person pays attention to their own observations and forms opinions which are correct more often than not. I don’t need a double-blinded placebo controlled medical study to convince me that coenzyme q10 supplementation is beneficial for cardiomyopathy and congestive heart failure, because I have seen with my own eyes people brought back from the brink of death; people given days to live by their board-certified cardiologist who lived for years. I have a somewhat less certain opinion that something in conventional milk causes premature puberty. And judging by the organic milk sales at my local supermarket, and the news story from China, I’m probably not the only one that holds that “unscientific” opinion.

And you will remain quite certain of the “science” that says that it is just not possible ... until some new science is finally discovered!

“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
Hamlet, Act 1 Scene V


114 posted on 08/10/2010 10:34:37 AM PDT by devere
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To: devere
The people in China would be idiots if they didn’t believe their own eyes; but of course they do.

And what they're seeing is probably caused by the addition of female sex hormones to the milk. Why? Because, once again, bovine hormones cannot bind with hormone receptors in humans. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

conventional dairy farmers may give large amounts of those synthetic hormones to their cows to induce continuous milk production.

Yes, they do. This synthetic hormone (rBST) is identical to the hormone produced by the cows naturally.

Some say all those hormones are inactivated by pasteurization, but ... people tend to believe their own eyes.

The hormones are inactivated by pasteurization? I've never heard that. Even so, for anything you've said to be right -- or for your own eyes to be right, you're going to have to show us that hormones specific to cows are able to bind with human hormone receptors. You can't do it because it isn't possible. Your eyes are lying to you.

You can believe in something that hasn't been proven, even after multitudes of studies, but those of us who choose to live in the real world will continue basing our understanding of a subject on what we know to be true. Some people will continue to believe in the things they want to believe. As you sort of said earlier, you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. Fear always springs from ignorance.

115 posted on 08/10/2010 11:34:34 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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