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1 posted on 08/04/2010 5:34:11 AM PDT by SJackson
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Unfortunately this is often a sensitive subject on FR, but the focus of the article is the author's, and the region's, remembrance. My ancestors may have faced his on the field, but I've no problem with it.

The only Jewish military cemetary outside Israel, Richmond, Va.


2 posted on 08/04/2010 5:38:40 AM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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Revisionist history at it's worst. Article is total nonsense on the facts.

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2007/10/abraham_lincoln_and_the_jews.html

Abraham Lincoln and the Jews
October 17th, 2007 by Steven Aftergood

In a remarkable episode from the Civil War that is not as widely known as it might be, General Ulysses S. Grant issued Order No. 11 on December 17, 1862 expelling all Jews from those portions of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi where his forces had taken the field.

Equally remarkable, President Lincoln did not say he would “stand by” his generals or that “we must give the military the tools it needs” to accomplish its mission. Instead, he rescinded the Order.

3 posted on 08/04/2010 5:42:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: SJackson
To claim they were not fighting for slavery is to try and rewrite history to fit current PC political dogmas. It is an absurd argument that has no validity in historic facts.

It was not “State Rights” that motivated Davis, Stephens, Ruffin, et al.

It was not “State Rights” that lead a SC Congressmen to beat a Massachusetts Senator to the edge of death on the Senate floor.

It was not “State Rights” that brought Abraham Lincoln back into politics in the 1850

It was not “State Rights” that caused men to butcher each other in “Bleeding Kansas”.

It was not “State Rights” that lead John Brown to raid Harper’s Ferry.

No issue but Slavery lead men to political violence in the antebellum period. Without Slavery all other issues between the North and South could be dealt with in the normal political progress. Only Slavery is the “irreconcilable difference” that makes it impossible to forge a political solution.

To ignore the facts of that period to create a faux history in order to justify current political dogmas is not only utterly stupid from a public relations stand point, it is also intellectually dishonest and serious damages the movements credibility with the voting public.

We on the Right routinely decry the attempt by the Left to rewrite history to justify their current political dogmas. We should not do it either.

That Slavery was fundamental issue that split the North and the South in the Civil War is just plain fact

4 posted on 08/04/2010 5:46:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: SJackson

Great article...thanks for posting it...my g-grandfather was in I Company.23rd S.C. infantry and knew the Moses family...one of the Moses men who died has his name inscribed on the Confederate monument in Sumpter,SC...I applaud Lewis Regenstein for writing this article, because I’m sure he will be further attacked by Jews and Gentiles alike...

PS....the only Jewish military cemetary outside Israel is in Richmond and there lie Jewish Confederates.


5 posted on 08/04/2010 5:47:16 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: SJackson
You should at least be aware of the other side of this particular story...

It is not to be doubted, I know with absolute certainty, that the separation of the United States into two federations of equal powers had been decided upon well in advance of the Civil War by the top financial power of Europe. -- OTTO VON BISMARCK, Chancellor, Germany.

For the Southerners to have aligned themselves on the side of the Rothschilds and English mercantilists against Lincoln was entirely similar to somebody aligning with the English in the revolutionary war. You can't really expect a whole lot of mercy or sympathy when you do stuff like that.

6 posted on 08/04/2010 5:48:10 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: SJackson

Excellent article! I lived in the South most of my adult life (originally from Michigan) - the only thing I didn’t like about living there is the oppressive heat...it made my yankee DNA shut down. I had a visitor from Ghana in the early 1970s who told me that he much preferred the South to the North because you knew where you stood in the South. In the North the bigots were more subtle in their hate and hypocrisy.


7 posted on 08/04/2010 5:53:42 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: SJackson

Excellent article. Thank you for posting.


9 posted on 08/04/2010 5:59:19 AM PDT by Blennos
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To: SJackson

The straight scoop...for those few w/the eyes and ears who can bear the truth...

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/%E2%80%9Ci-agree-with-clyde-wilson-that-america-can%E2%80%99t-be-saved-or-returned-to-its-roots-until-the-republican-party-is-destroyed-%E2%80%9D/


12 posted on 08/04/2010 6:03:22 AM PDT by gunnyg (WE ARE BEHIND "ENEMY WITHIN" LINES, SURROUNDED, Our 'Novembers' Are Behind Us...If Ya Can "grok" it!)
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To: SJackson

Jewish Confederate BUMP.


14 posted on 08/04/2010 6:05:07 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SJackson
In the case of Virginia, to cite one example, it is quite clear that the state did not secede over slavery; it stayed in the Union after seven Southern states seceded and formed the Confederacy. It was only after President Lincoln called for 75,000 troops from state militias to attack the South that Virginia, refusing to wage war on its "kinfolk," left the Union. * * * * *

Gen. Jackson - Men of the Valley

24 posted on 08/04/2010 6:22:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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still struggle to expose the truth about why Southern soldiers fought...

Many of ‘em fought because they wanted to, because they enjoyed fighting (and winning). “Honor-based”, slave-holding culture, duels, sir and ma’am for almost everybody. I’ve read direct quotes of General Lee addressing individual sergeants under his command as “Sir”.


27 posted on 08/04/2010 6:41:55 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: SJackson

I applaude the patriotic tone of this article and I appreciate the intimate stories of the Civil War from a new and very interesting family viewpoint with so much detail.

But some of the history related is, in my opinion, mistaken;

and the story of Grant’s order #11 which applied to Jewish traders trying to pass through Grant’s lines and to go South to buy cotton cheaply for large profits,

is indeed mentioned in many history books -— but what I have read before this is completely at odds with what is related above.

Again, very interesting article.


28 posted on 08/04/2010 6:51:09 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: SJackson

Thank you for this post.


29 posted on 08/04/2010 6:52:43 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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ping


101 posted on 08/04/2010 11:30:24 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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bttt


146 posted on 08/04/2010 5:58:43 PM PDT by Pelham (There is no "close the border first". Deport illegals now.)
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To: SJackson
The Confederacy's secretary of war and later state was Judah P. Benjamin - the so-called brains of the Confederacy

One of the members of the Davis regime who richly deserved hanging, but who managed to escape justice.

147 posted on 08/04/2010 6:04:01 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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related....

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/irishmen-and-the-nyc-draft-riots-of-july-1863/


158 posted on 08/05/2010 4:13:16 AM PDT by gunnyg (WE ARE BEHIND "ENEMY WITHIN" LINES, SURROUNDED, Our 'Novembers' Are Behind Us...If Ya Can "grok" it!)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks to everyone who commented on my article on Jews and the Confederacy.

someone asked for some evidence that Sherman hated Jews. here it is, no room for many such facts in original article.

December 17, is the anniversary of the worst official act of anti-Semitism in American history.

On that day in 1862, in the midst of the Civil War, Union general Ulysses S. Grant issued his infamous “General Order # 11,” expelling all Jews “as a class” from his conquered territories within 24 hours.

A few months earlier, on 11 August, General William Tecumseh Sherman had warned in a letter to the Adjutant General of the Union Army that “the country will swarm with dishonest Jews” if continued trade in cotton is encouraged. (Sherman, in a letter written in 1858, had described Jews as “…without pity, soul, heart, or bowels of compassion…”).

And Grant also issued orders on 9 and 10 November 1862 banning southward travel in general, stating that “the Israelites especially should be kept out… no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad southward from any point. They may go north and be encouraged in it; but they are such an intolerable nuisance, that the department must be purged of them”.

As a result of Grant’s expulsion order, Jewish families were forced out of their homes in Paducah, Kentucky, Holly Springs and Oxford Mississippi, and a few were sent to prison. When some Jewish victims protested to President Lincoln, the Attorney General Edward Bates advised the President that he was indifferent to such objections, “myself feeling no particular interest in the subject.”

Nevertheless, on 4 January, 1863, Lincoln had Grant’s odious order rescinded, but by then, some Jewish families in the area had been expelled, humiliated, terrified, and jailed, and some stripped of their possessions.

As Bertram W. Korn writes in his classic work, “American Jewry and the Civil War (1951),

They still tell stories of the expulsion in Paducah, Ky.: of the hurried departure
by riverboat up the Ohio to Cincinnati; of a baby almost left behind in the haste
and confusion and tossed bodily into the boat; of two dying women permitted to
femain behind in neighbors’ care. Thirty men and their families were expelled
from Paducah, and according to affidavits by some of “the most respectable Union
citizens of the city,” the deportees “had at no time been engaged in trade within
the active lines of General Grant…” Two had already served brief enlistments in
the Union army.

On 21 January, Union General-in-Chief Henry W. Halleck wrote to Grant to explain the rescission of the order, stating that “The President has no objection to your expelling traitors and Jew peddlers, which, I suppose was the object of your order; but as it in terms proscribed an entire religious class, some of whom are fighting in our ranks, , the President deemed it necessary to revoke it.”

Captain Philip Trounstine of the Ohio Volunteer Cavalry, being unable in good conscience to round up and expel his fellow Jews, resigned his army commission, saying he could “no longer bear the Taunts and malice of his fellow officers… brought on by … that order.”

The officials responsible for the United States government’s most vicious anti-Jewish actions ever were never dismissed, admonished or, apparently, even officially criticized for the religious persecution they inflicted on innocent citizens.

for more info, see Korn’s book and Robert Rosen’s authoritative The Jewish Confederates


180 posted on 08/05/2010 12:58:09 PM PDT by Lewis Regenstein (regenstein@mindspring.com)
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Awesome thread; thank you.


182 posted on 08/05/2010 2:27:53 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010.)
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