Posted on 08/04/2010 5:34:10 AM PDT by SJackson
The source I saw had Lee’s army crossing the Potomac on 24 June. Other sources may have other dates. Even if there were Confederates in Pennsylvania earlier one wouldn’t expect advance cavalry reconnaissance to do very much damage in any case.
I believe the first infantry units crossed the Potomac in early June.
As to Grant, I doubt you could count his dysfunctional relationship's.
Don't be daft. There are too many contingencies to make that kind of an assertion. You are mashing together today's politics with the events of 150 years ago with little regard for all the little turning points that came in between.
You also ignore that it's in large part precisely the Southern influence that drove Northern states away from the Republicans in recent years. When Republicans became the Southern party to a lot of Americans they turned away from the party.
It's also jackassery to assume that other Western countries that an independent North might possibly resemble are "full fledged Marxist." Whatever you think of Britain or Canada or Australia, they are far from Marxist.
One might as well say that without the North, the South would be a fully-fledged socialist country by now. It might be a different kind of socialism, but socialism none the less.
Look back on the New Deal South -- Huey Long's South, George Wallace's or Lyndon Johnson's South -- plenty of opportunity for socialists of a populist sort there.
bttt
One of the members of the Davis regime who richly deserved hanging, but who managed to escape justice.
Yes, *HOW* could America have succeeded having based it's culture on it's succession from Britain?
Justiceseeker, you know that I admire you all to pieces, but your assertion about Forrest is just nonsense. Nathan Bedford Forrest did not "found the Ku-Klux Klan." The Ku-Klux Klan was founded as a lark by a few Confederate veterans of Scottish ancestry in Pulaski, TN in 1866. Its original purpose wasn't even as a terrorist organization. But disguised as ghosts they noticed they frightened the Blacks (this was before they were left wing intellectuals) and that's where the trouble started.
Forrest was the Grand Wizard of the Klan after it became "The Invisible Empire of the South," but he did not found it. Neither was the original Klan anti-Jewish (it even had Jewish members, like Dr. Simon Baruch). It did not burn crosses. The original Reconstruction Klan was very, very different from the various reincarnations of the twentieth century.
Forrest is not a personal hero to me (what with my ancestors being "scalawags" and all), but he did not found the Klan. He wasn't a nice person, though. He was a slave-trader before the war and his soldiers intentionally massacred Black Union soldiers at Ft. Pillow to specifically "prove" that Black soldiers couldn't fight. But if NBF was anti-Jewish, you'll have to prove it.
“This constant attempt to rewrite history to validate current political dogmas is childish and really must stop.”
Yes, everyone just needs to regurgitate the same tired Yankee rationalizations that you have memorized.
And as a disclaimer, I am not trying to minimize the tragedy of slavery. I am rejecting the politics of the north.
We didn't secede from Britain, if for no other reason than we never joined Great Britain. We fought a revolution, something for which the Founding Fathers understood they could be hanged if they lost.
Southerners, of course, refuse to call their actions a revolution or rebellion because they lost and so seek solace in the notion that it was all somehow unfair. I have no doubt that, had they won, they'd be proudly trumpeting their successful rebellion.
You forgot your /sarc tag. You can’t possibly be foolish enough to believe they’re analogous. Can you?!
You’re right. The South should be grateful she was just raped and pillaged and not murdered and dismembered as well. < / sarcasm >
Well one of the Radical Republican heroes, Thaddeus Stevens, made a speech where he advocates the elimination of the southern race. So I guess we should be glad that the heroic Northern victors managed to stop themselves short of genocide, as appealing as the idea appears to be to their progeny.
Thaddeus Stevens was quite a piece of work. The fact that the officers leading the Confederate raid against his steel mills were able to restrain their men into burning only the steel mills and not the worker’s housing and his own family housing while they were at it speaks well of the disclipline and respect the men had for their leadership.
Myth. Forrest's cavalry had black troopers, most of whom were his possession prior to the war.
Probably not. Governments just seem to grow to a breaking point. I'm not sure I want to see this one break. I'm one of the 99% here who has little idea where his food would come from if the local ShopRite ceases to exist.
ML/NJ
Yes, I know. I have no reason though to believe that wherever they went, that they would be treated very differently than the way they were treated by Mr. Jefferson.
ML/NJ
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