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Southern Jews and the Confederacy
Jewish Press ^ | Jul 28 2010 | Lewis Regenstein

Posted on 08/04/2010 5:34:10 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: central_va

The source I saw had Lee’s army crossing the Potomac on 24 June. Other sources may have other dates. Even if there were Confederates in Pennsylvania earlier one wouldn’t expect advance cavalry reconnaissance to do very much damage in any case.


141 posted on 08/04/2010 5:20:38 PM PDT by x
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To: x

I believe the first infantry units crossed the Potomac in early June.


142 posted on 08/04/2010 5:24:53 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Forrest was an early member of, perhaps a founder, of the Klan, but did reject their violent racial message, and left. Some would say opposed them, aggressively. The KKK was, as everyone knows, a Democrat political organization from it's inception.

As to Grant, I doubt you could count his dysfunctional relationship's.

143 posted on 08/04/2010 5:31:00 PM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: central_va
Does anyone doubt the without the South, the North would be a full fledged Marxist country by now? Somebody give me an amen.

Don't be daft. There are too many contingencies to make that kind of an assertion. You are mashing together today's politics with the events of 150 years ago with little regard for all the little turning points that came in between.

You also ignore that it's in large part precisely the Southern influence that drove Northern states away from the Republicans in recent years. When Republicans became the Southern party to a lot of Americans they turned away from the party.

It's also jackassery to assume that other Western countries that an independent North might possibly resemble are "full fledged Marxist." Whatever you think of Britain or Canada or Australia, they are far from Marxist.

One might as well say that without the North, the South would be a fully-fledged socialist country by now. It might be a different kind of socialism, but socialism none the less.

Look back on the New Deal South -- Huey Long's South, George Wallace's or Lyndon Johnson's South -- plenty of opportunity for socialists of a populist sort there.

144 posted on 08/04/2010 5:34:07 PM PDT by x
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To: x
Give it up, everyone knows where RINO country is. Yeah their are a few Northern Conservative congressmen, no senators to speak of.
145 posted on 08/04/2010 5:41:16 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SJackson

bttt


146 posted on 08/04/2010 5:58:43 PM PDT by Pelham (There is no "close the border first". Deport illegals now.)
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To: SJackson
The Confederacy's secretary of war and later state was Judah P. Benjamin - the so-called brains of the Confederacy

One of the members of the Davis regime who richly deserved hanging, but who managed to escape justice.

147 posted on 08/04/2010 6:04:01 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: rockrr
If you base your culture on secession, why wouldn't you expect secession to be a permanency in your life?

Yes, *HOW* could America have succeeded having based it's culture on it's succession from Britain?

148 posted on 08/04/2010 6:04:11 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: justiceseeker93
There is a duplicity in the author's overstating antisemitism among the Union generals and neglecting to mention that Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest later founded the Ku Klux Klan. Plus, while he talks about Union savagery in comparison with the gentlemanly Confederate soldier, he doesn't mention the decadent conditions in the notorious prisoner of war camps, such as Andersonville.

Justiceseeker, you know that I admire you all to pieces, but your assertion about Forrest is just nonsense. Nathan Bedford Forrest did not "found the Ku-Klux Klan." The Ku-Klux Klan was founded as a lark by a few Confederate veterans of Scottish ancestry in Pulaski, TN in 1866. Its original purpose wasn't even as a terrorist organization. But disguised as ghosts they noticed they frightened the Blacks (this was before they were left wing intellectuals) and that's where the trouble started.

Forrest was the Grand Wizard of the Klan after it became "The Invisible Empire of the South," but he did not found it. Neither was the original Klan anti-Jewish (it even had Jewish members, like Dr. Simon Baruch). It did not burn crosses. The original Reconstruction Klan was very, very different from the various reincarnations of the twentieth century.

Forrest is not a personal hero to me (what with my ancestors being "scalawags" and all), but he did not found the Klan. He wasn't a nice person, though. He was a slave-trader before the war and his soldiers intentionally massacred Black Union soldiers at Ft. Pillow to specifically "prove" that Black soldiers couldn't fight. But if NBF was anti-Jewish, you'll have to prove it.

149 posted on 08/04/2010 6:07:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Re'eh, 'Anokhi noten lifneykhem hayom berakhah uqelalah.)
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To: MNJohnnie

“This constant attempt to rewrite history to validate current political dogmas is childish and really must stop.”

Yes, everyone just needs to regurgitate the same tired Yankee rationalizations that you have memorized.


150 posted on 08/04/2010 6:10:32 PM PDT by Pelham (There is no "close the border first". Deport illegals now.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Hear, hear! It was the war of northern aggression. I was not born a son of the south, but I will die a son of the south.

And as a disclaimer, I am not trying to minimize the tragedy of slavery. I am rejecting the politics of the north.

151 posted on 08/04/2010 6:37:03 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: gogogodzilla
Yes, *HOW* could America have succeeded having based it's culture on it's succession from Britain?

We didn't secede from Britain, if for no other reason than we never joined Great Britain. We fought a revolution, something for which the Founding Fathers understood they could be hanged if they lost.

Southerners, of course, refuse to call their actions a revolution or rebellion because they lost and so seek solace in the notion that it was all somehow unfair. I have no doubt that, had they won, they'd be proudly trumpeting their successful rebellion.

152 posted on 08/04/2010 6:37:11 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: gogogodzilla

You forgot your /sarc tag. You can’t possibly be foolish enough to believe they’re analogous. Can you?!


153 posted on 08/04/2010 7:24:01 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

You’re right. The South should be grateful she was just raped and pillaged and not murdered and dismembered as well. < / sarcasm >


154 posted on 08/04/2010 8:16:22 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Well one of the Radical Republican heroes, Thaddeus Stevens, made a speech where he advocates the elimination of the southern race. So I guess we should be glad that the heroic Northern victors managed to stop themselves short of genocide, as appealing as the idea appears to be to their progeny.


155 posted on 08/04/2010 8:20:56 PM PDT by Pelham (There is no "close the border first". Deport illegals now.)
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To: Pelham

Thaddeus Stevens was quite a piece of work. The fact that the officers leading the Confederate raid against his steel mills were able to restrain their men into burning only the steel mills and not the worker’s housing and his own family housing while they were at it speaks well of the disclipline and respect the men had for their leadership.


156 posted on 08/04/2010 8:55:23 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Forrest is not a personal hero to me (what with my ancestors being "scalawags" and all), but he did not found the Klan. He wasn't a nice person, though. He was a slave-trader before the war and his soldiers intentionally massacred Black Union soldiers at Ft. Pillow to specifically "prove" that Black soldiers couldn't fight. But if NBF was anti-Jewish, you'll have to prove it.

Myth. Forrest's cavalry had black troopers, most of whom were his possession prior to the war.

157 posted on 08/05/2010 3:17:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SJackson

related....

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/irishmen-and-the-nyc-draft-riots-of-july-1863/


158 posted on 08/05/2010 4:13:16 AM PDT by gunnyg (WE ARE BEHIND "ENEMY WITHIN" LINES, SURROUNDED, Our 'Novembers' Are Behind Us...If Ya Can "grok" it!)
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To: huldah1776
Any hope of a return? Would it be possible?

Probably not. Governments just seem to grow to a breaking point. I'm not sure I want to see this one break. I'm one of the 99% here who has little idea where his food would come from if the local ShopRite ceases to exist.

ML/NJ

159 posted on 08/05/2010 4:47:24 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
You do know what happened to the slaves at Monticello, right?

Yes, I know. I have no reason though to believe that wherever they went, that they would be treated very differently than the way they were treated by Mr. Jefferson.

ML/NJ

160 posted on 08/05/2010 4:50:52 AM PDT by ml/nj
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