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To: bvw

We do live in a Republic, and not a Judicial Oligarchy, and for that reason , jamese777, you are quite wrong.


If I am indeed wrong, can you provide me with some examples of where individual citizens, the Congress, and/or the Executive branch has defined the term “natural born citizen” and had that definition become binding as the law of the land or generally accepted by the People as the common law definition of the term?

What you are calling “a judicial oligarchy” is what the Founding Fathers called Article Three of the Constitution of the United States.

At the federal level, judges are appointed to their positions by the Executive branch and they must be confirmed by Congress. An individual federal judge’s decision can be overturned by a panel of judges at the Circuit Court of Appeals; a panel of judges can be reversed by a full panel of Circuit Court of Appeals judges and a full Circuit Court of Appeals can be overturned by the vote of five justices at the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court can and does sometimes reverse itself in a different appeal.

If that’s your idea of an “oligarchy, so be it, I guess you’re right, for you.


241 posted on 08/05/2010 3:17:09 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777

Re Natural Born Citizen, as a term of law.

Citizen De Vattel defined it, Citizens at the Constitutional Convention adopted it. At not time did a Judge define it. It is NOT for a judge to define the terms of law. That is due to the citizens under common law, and to those who write the law, the legislators. The legislators draw their definitions from what is established in the commons of the time.

This process is not in reality found to be perfect. For example terms change meaning over time. Reference must then be made to what the term meant when the law was drafted and adopted.

For another example there is a legislative folly sometimes found where common terms are redefined in a section of law. While it may be fine to define a child in one section of law anyone under 12, and in another under 18, or even perhaps as high an age as 21, all of these for particular understandable reasons, scopes known and used in the commons. But to define a child as any under 30 is to go beyond that age is a perversion of terminology of the sort that fosters disrespect for law.

Yesterday a Federal Judge of the JUDICIAL OLIGARCHY sort redefined a term of law and human society that has been well established for THOUSANDS of years. That term is marriage. He boldly redefined it by tyrannical dictat.

He is wrong, of course, and we all the worse for such horribly destructive rulings, and horribly destructive judicial arrogance ... but what does jamese777 think of his ruling?

Is it his authority do make such a ruling?


242 posted on 08/05/2010 3:48:09 PM PDT by bvw
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To: jamese777

“In respect to the citizenship of children of American parentage, wherever born, the principle of ius sanguinis seems to be the American principle; that is to say, the law of hereditary, rather than territorial allegiance, is recognized, which is modern, as distinguished from the ancient, and at one time, common-law principle of jus soli.”

Alexander Morse


245 posted on 08/05/2010 4:43:41 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777

“in respect to eligibility for the office of president, let us inquire what was the obvious purpose and intent of the limitation? Plainly, it was inserted in order to exclude “aliens” by birth and blood from that high office”

Alexander Morse

By blood Obama is an alien.


246 posted on 08/05/2010 4:49:39 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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