Posted on 07/23/2010 11:02:16 AM PDT by pissant
Arizona Senate candidate J.D. Hayworth (R) launched his most aggressive attack of the primary campaign against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) Friday.
The former congressman released his second TV ad of the race, which accuses McCain of supporting an “amnesty bill” for undocumented U.S. residents.
The ad features footage of McCain and President Obama talking about the effort to get immigration reform through the Senate.
“I helped author with Senator Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform and fought for it twice,” McCain says in the footage. It then transitions to Obama saying, “I stood with Ted Kennedy and John McCain and took on this tough issue.”
With immigration overshadowing the primary race, this ad is probably Hayworth’s best shot at closing the gap with the incumbent senator. Early voting, however, starts on July 29, which doesn’t give it much time to sink in.
The ad went up statewide Friday; it’s airing on broadcast and cable. It was produced by the Strategy Group for Media.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Once more:
Me: no like 19A
You: You support Sharia too?
Me: Did the early Founders?
You: They allowed amendments
You used the “they allowed amendments” argument to do what? To refute the notion that I ID’d a time when women didn’t vote, generally, yet there was no sharia? It failed as an argument, completely. There was no sharia. Women didn’t have to walk behind the men, as you flippantly suggested I’d support, since I support repealing the 19A.
But I gave you the BOTD that you really believed “they allowed amendments” was somehow a refutation of my point, and therefore offered that amendments are not all beneficial. And you tortured logic to somehow push the notion that because the 18A was bad, that I used that to argue that it being bad made the 19A bad.
THE ONLY relationship is that they are both examples, IMO, of bad amendments
And you tortured logic to somehow push the notion that because the 18A was bad, that I used that to argue that it being bad made the 19A bad.
"How’d that prohibition thingee work out[?] Or the income tax[?]"
Time for your nap, old man . . . you can't even remember what you typed a few hours ago.
Yep, 2 excellent examples of Amendments gone awry. Notice I didn't mention the first 10, or the 13th, or the 24th? The sole purpose of that statement was to give OTHER EXAMPLES of worthless amendments. There is no "if then therefore" relationship.
Oh, that's easy..
John McCain had Sarah Palin as her running mate.
Sarah Palin's daughter is engaged to Levi Johnson (piss be upon him).
Levi Johnson dated Kathy Griffin
Kathy Griffin appeared with R. Lee Ermey in Run Jonny Run.
R. Lee Ermey appeared with Kevin Bacon in Murder in the First.
Pick one side of the argument, not both: either an example of an Amendment gone bad shows that the 19th is bad also, or it is not. If it is not, then why did you bring Amendments gone bad in the first place?
Ping 64
Are you trying to rationalize with the pissanty one? Good luck with that.
I think Glenn Beck has done an outstanding job of acquainting the American people with their own true history. Americans generally fend for themselves. At least that is how most of us over 50 were raised. Of course there are those who cannot physically do that, and do need help. And then there are others who “Play the system” to get something for nothing. Good parenting, as you know, is sooooo important And good parenting requires God and His Ten Commandments. And a good and Godly nation requires a vigilant spirit. Unfortunately, outside influences took over while most parents, and yes, even the church itself, closed their eyes. That is why we find ourselves where we do, on the brink of defeat. I think that this is part of the message Glenn Beck had for us today. We must reverse the leftward trend our precious nation has taken at the ballot box. Please ee my tag line!
I do hope that Hayworth wins this one. I’m so tired of the double-talking, double-dealing McCain.
Only YOU are making the leap of logic that other amendments gone bad (AGB) demonstrates that therefore, the 19th is bad also. I said twice now there IS NO 'IF THEN THEREFORE' relationship.
The reason I brought up AGB in the first place was to note that just having the amendment process - "they allowed for amendments" - is worthless as a debate point. Amendments can and have been used for good or ill. If my calling out the 16th and 18th as examples of AGB confused you into inferring I meant 'because those are bad, therefore this means the 19A is also bad', that's your problem. And utterly illogical. They stand alone, each as an example of an AGB.
If we applied your standard equally, then we'd still be debating that Representatives (and taxes) should be apportioned according to a formula that counts some persons as three-fifths of a human being.
I can tell your grasp of the 3/5ths rule is very poor.
No one said the founders were infallible. I could have just as easily mentioned the gay 90s (1890s, that is) or any other time prior to 1920.
I also, Mr. Strawman, never said it was a grave threat to the Republic.
And indeed, it is my opinion, just as it was the predominate opinion of large swaths of the population prior the women’s suffrage movement. They were all just a bunch of woman haters, I tell you.
Enlighten us, professor. Right after you explain why you would never vote for a "chick." Again, chicks are either a threat, or they are not. You are dissembling.
Strawman, I never said I wouldn’t vote for a chick again. I said specifically I wouldn’t vote for one for CIC unless her name was Thatcher - a colloquialism meaning she would have to be like the iron lady to get my vote. We have nothing of the sort available at this time.
As for the 3/5ths compromise, I’ll let you figger it out on your own.
As for chicks, only you use the word threatening. Are there other reasons for opposing things other than ‘threatening’. Do you oppose homos getting ‘married’ because it is threatening, or patently ridiculous? What about fur Trapping? Farting in an elevator? Kids texting during class?
"I support [McCain's] position on immigration."
FMR. AK. GOV. SARAH PALIN, 27 MAR. 2010
"We're going to have to secure the borders first,
and then enact comprehensive immigration,
but the border has to be secured first."
U.S. SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, 21 MAY 2010
Amnesty (sung to the tune of Dancing Queen)
In a trance, you can jive, yap like a bored House-wife
(ooo-oooo) See that girl, watch her preen, dig in for Amnes-teee
Friday night and the cameras roll
With Sean or Bill or Geral-do
Where they underhand you softballs, teaching you to swing
Might as well be on Larry King
Anybody with a heart would cry
To see Juan and Pedro and Gomez fry
In the Arizona desert, with the gila monsters
Then havin’ to hear Tancredo’s rants
And when you get the chance...
You are for Amnes-tee, as you tweet, a real Mexi-queen
Amnes-tee, feel the guilt from that Limousine (oh yeah)
As if by chance, you arrive, shakier than Barney Fife
(ooo-ooooo) See that girl, on the TV screen, dig in for Amnes-tee
Like old McCain, you can turn it on
“Guest workers”, “Register”, and “who’ll mow my lawn?”
Looking out for all our brothers, even with swine flu
You parrot Juan’s stance
And when you get the chance...
You are for Amnes-Tee, they cut our meat, and they change our sheets
Amnes-tee, so the elite can learn that Salsa beat (oh yeah)
Just like France, festering hives, creating a third world strife
(ooo-oooo) See that girl, just like Charlie Sheen, dig in for Amnes-tee
I’ve always considered Thomas Jefferson to somewhat gallant. You?
Apparently, he caved when the time came to write the amendment process into the Constitution. /s
He was in France.
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