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You know, those Canadians may be on to something, says the American
Caledon Enterprise ^ | Tuesday, July 20, 2010 | Tayler 'Hap' Parnaby

Posted on 07/20/2010 8:36:28 AM PDT by Willie Green

Perhaps, here in the Maritimes, you note the influence of every day Americans more than most other places in Canada. After all, they’ve been arriving here for generations, first as Loyalist refugees fleeing north to the remaining British Colonies in the days after the Revolution. Many would move on to other places in Upper and Lower Canada, setting the stage for the creation of the separate province of New Brunswick and the opening of the future province of Ontario for settlement. The influence of American settlers on the development of Canada has been profound.

With the opening of railroads after Confederation and by the later creation of highways and airlines, rather than as settlers, Americans arrived as visitors or tourists. Former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt spent summers on Campobello Island just off the New Brunswick coastline, one of many shoreline summer homes and estates, many of which remain the prized possessions of U.S. families.

For years, I’ve had an impression, gathered from conversations with visitors, that many of those visitors carried with them an ample chip of superiority, a rather American characteristic. I remember meeting one chap who, in classic form, began boasting about the size of his native Texas. I reminded him it would take several of his lone star states to fill Ontario, a province with about as many residents as Ohio in a country with a population about equal to California.

But now, I think you might sense a subtle shift in attitudes.

The last decade, since 9/11, has been tough times for the United States. Their financial calamities, even the recent tragedy of the BP oil crisis in the Gulf of Mexico, have awakened America to her vulnerabilities.

We’ve not been immune to the ripples created by the stomping of the “elephant’s” feet. Yet, while still the “mouse”, we seem to have survived the shaking with comparative ease.

In four separate conversations in the past three weeks, I have been surprised by the inquisitiveness of a young father visiting from Minnesota, a professor from Arkansas, another from Maine and a retired businessman from Maryland now living in Florida. All seemed intrigued by their Canadian summer-time adventure as if something was taking place in the great frozen north and something to which they should pay attention.

Perhaps they sense a gathering Canadian maturity and confidence generated by the globalization of the 21st century world of the Internet and commerce. Maybe we are beginning to sense America is not the be-all and end-all to our political, cultural and economic well being.

Maybe they sense, as others have suggested, that Canadians are shedding their shyness and introverted ways after discovering remarkable opportunities by looking beyond the world’s longest and still undefended border.

Maybe the father and son who rode into Nova Scotia from Connecticut on their Harley-Davidson's two years ago were the mine canaries of the changes taking place in this country. “You know something,” the father said, “this guy Tim Horton is onto something. Good coffee and good food.”

You can now buy a Tim Horton’s coffee and lunch in mid-town Manhattan.


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To: paul51

Canada and Australia were in two different situations in regards to the USSR, and Australia was fighting with us in Vietnam while Canada was doing some very anti-American, anti-freedom, pro communist things.

Are you Canadian, are you a Canadian veteran?


81 posted on 07/20/2010 2:35:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
no i am not canadian and I am not a canadian veteran. i just think some of your notions about canada and canadians are a little off base and difficult to substantiate with fact. Any time some one generalizes about a people or country they will tend to get off target. I grew up in the northeast and spent a lot of time in canada and still travel there a couple times a year. I find it to be a pretty decent place with generally decent people. That's not to say they are without problems, which is the same I would say for the US. Incidentally, a number of canadians did enlist in the us armed forces to join the fight in vietnam.
82 posted on 07/20/2010 2:51:46 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Then I don’t understand why guys like you try to drag in the tiny, Canadian military into every discussion where Americans express their dislike for that little left wing country, a country that you and the liberal Canadians seem to prefer to the more conservative United States.


83 posted on 07/20/2010 2:56:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
the only reason I mentioned the canadian troops was in response to some ass wipe that said all canadians were cowards as he sits at his little keyboard while canadian troops are fighting and dying in afghanistan. As far as canada being a little left wing country, again the facts get in the way. Most intelligent people would not consider canada a little country and I could give you a good argument about the us being to the left of canada in many respects these days. my (our) beloved country is no longer the bastion of conservative thinking it was 30 years ago. Hopefully we can pull it back but don't be under any illusions as to where we are today.
84 posted on 07/20/2010 3:19:49 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
I don't think Canada would agree that that the us defends them

Nor do I .

Name one time the US ever defended Canada . Since 1776 Canada has been invaded 4 times , by 10 different armies . All American.

Countries do not have friends , they have interests . As for Bomarc , Iraq , Vietnam , even the "cold war" , those all are in the US interest .

Canada has paid her share of NORAD every year and in '96 had to go so far as to sue the US in order to get her to pay her share of cleaning up the old DEW line . Perhaps a cowardly Canada would have stayed out of it and put the DEW on the 49th giving the US about minus 5 minutes warning .

On 9/11 the US FAA shut down US air space on the theory the US was under attack from terrorists . Her own safety aside , ignoring the possiblity of in coming terrorists , Canada landed 239 flights with over 33,000 US bound passengers .

Are Canadian lives and real estate expendable when securing US safety ? As with Bomarc , apparently they were .

And some boneheads on FR call Canadians cowardly while Canada does what US FAA , Americans , didn't have the balls to do . Land and secure over 33,000 passengers and avoid for the US , a public relations nightmare .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellow_Ribbon

btw ,the number of Canadians that fought in Vietnam as part of US forces is estimated at between 35-50,000.

There are 54 "known" US Medal of Honor recipients who are or were from Canada while there are 5 Victoria Cross recipients from the USA.

85 posted on 07/20/2010 3:25:27 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: paul51

Canada is a cowardly little country that is to the left of America, there is a reason that Canada only maintains a token military, their people like it that way, there is even pressure to do less.

It is clear where your loyalties lie when you see Canada as a refuge from Americans.


86 posted on 07/20/2010 3:31:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
I'm wondering if you have ever been to canada? know any canadians? You obviously don't know much about either. As far as questioning my loyalties...you truly have no clue what you are talking about. but then again, you you like to spout off about things when you don't know what you are talking about. ignorance is indeed bliss
87 posted on 07/20/2010 3:48:23 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Yes I have been to Canada, and I used to be a member of the Canadian Airborne Forces Association.

I also remember a lifetime of Canadian liberalism and leftism, and anti-Americanism, personally I never liked it, but I’m learning that at least one American found it endearing and appealing.


88 posted on 07/20/2010 3:55:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
Yes I have been to Canada

Any time in the last 30 years? I find more anti american sentiment in the US than I do in canada.

89 posted on 07/20/2010 4:07:21 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Actually yes, but do you think that if I had no interest in Canada, that I would join a Canadian association.

I like their handful of GIs, but their weak, leftwing people and governments have never endeared them to me, as it does for you.


90 posted on 07/20/2010 4:17:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
well, at least you don't include their GI’s in the generalization of all other canadians. Endeared may be a little too strong. I have no reason to dislike all canadians as I do some on this side of the border. There are many outside the armed forces that are neither weak, leftwing or american hating. I'd rather spend time with them than some americans i know of any day.
91 posted on 07/20/2010 4:24:29 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
Endeared may be a little too strong. I have no reason to dislike all canadians as I do some on this side of the border. There are many outside the armed forces that are neither weak, leftwing or american hating. I'd rather spend time with them than some americans i know of any day.

You have got it bad man, when you choose cowardly, leftist Canadians over Americans, it really exposes your political sympathies.

92 posted on 07/20/2010 4:28:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
in case you haven't heard, there is no shortage of cowardly americans who are about as red and liberal as it can get. If you enjoy them, god bless you and have fun.
93 posted on 07/20/2010 5:12:29 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Yes I do prefer America to your Canada. We did lose a lot of Canada lovers during the Revolutionary War and the Vietnam War though, Canada does appeal to some Americans, without question.


94 posted on 07/20/2010 5:19:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
you can’t justify your generalizations about all canadians (except GI’s anyhow) so you have to make it a canada vs US thing. You shouldn’t doubt my feelings for my country just because I can’t condemn every human that lives north of the border. none the less, I could come up with plenty of americans you wouldn’t want to be in the same room with. second thought, I don’t know that. Let me say it this way. I can come up with plenty of Americans I wouldn’t want to be in the same room with. Two of them are out of the last three presidents.
95 posted on 07/20/2010 5:38:05 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Thurston_Howell_III
"those Canadians may be on to something"

Didn't Canada kick the liberals out of government recently?

96 posted on 07/20/2010 5:42:08 PM PDT by highlander_UW (Education is too important to abdicate control of it to the government)
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To: paul51

LOL, of course it is a US versus the anti-American Canada thing, what do you thing we are talking about?

I think of Canada the way that you think of America, the difference is that Canada really is a weak nation that gets away with it’s nonsense because it depends on the American people to protect it and defend it.

One thing about Canada that you can depend on though, is that an anti-American can always find a home there, it is a centuries old tradition.


97 posted on 07/20/2010 6:50:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
think of canada and canadians any way you wish but don't accuse me of thinking of americans the way you think of canadians. I've already made it clear what I think about both. over and out
98 posted on 07/20/2010 8:32:30 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Yes you have made it clear where you rank Canada versus the United States, and you made it clear that you prefer the liberal Canada throughout this entire thread.

Canada has always attracted liberals and anti-Americans since before we even won our independence and of course during the Vietnam war when we were protecting them from communism, I have never heard of them having an American groupie before though, congratulations.


99 posted on 07/20/2010 8:57:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
Yes you have made it clear where you rank Canada versus the United States, and you made it clear that you prefer the liberal Canada throughout this entire thread.

Completely incorrect as are many of your comments. In your mind, anyone that likes anything at all about canada is an anti american leftwing nut and canada groupie. You seem to have a little mind and you certainly have difficulty interpreting fairly non complex statements. If america was protecting canada from communists during the viet nam war, why do you suppose the communists are so much better organized and active in the US vs in canada?

100 posted on 07/20/2010 9:19:11 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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