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To: imahawk

The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around. Did he think he was OK to leave the store and nothing? The suspect had very little leeway of not following immediate instruction by the police. It was just yesterday that a person went inside a busines in New Mexico and shot several people. It is easy to monday morning quarterback the police.


5 posted on 07/13/2010 4:26:06 AM PDT by biggredd1
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“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.”

You mean the people that were calmly exiting the store standing within a few feet of him?

If I saw a guy doing what you say I sure wouldn’t be calmly standing beside him.

“The suspect had very little leeway of not following immediate instruction by the police. “

Yep, it was bang, taze, ‘drop it’, bang bang.


7 posted on 07/13/2010 4:30:03 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: biggredd1

It’s easy for you to be a cop cheerleader. Read the comments above and quit taking the police side of the story.


8 posted on 07/13/2010 4:30:37 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: biggredd1

You may want to wait and see exactly what happened.The victum was not a thug from all accounts.


10 posted on 07/13/2010 4:32:09 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: biggredd1

I think the police need full time recording devices facing ahead of them. It would clear up tons of confusion pronto, even some fender bender disputes. With that, we could consider given them even more leeway than they currently have.


13 posted on 07/13/2010 4:34:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (It takes courage to stay on Monster Ping. [Link in profile.])
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To: biggredd1
“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.”

And your proof of the guy doing this was what?
So far every witness that I've read about refutes that story.
As to creating panic, that's a bullcrap excuse on the part of sissy liberal wimps. If he had a gun in his hand threatening someone or pointing it at people, I could buy “creating panic”. Having an “exposed gun”, on the other hand, suggests the “panic” was created by morons that don't like guns.

Where is the evidence of “rampaging” inside the store?

16 posted on 07/13/2010 4:38:37 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 507)
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To: biggredd1

Wow! Were you there? Did you see him damaging property and rampaging the store? It sounds to me like a WHOLE BUNCH of people over reacted!

I legally CC all the time. If a guy in a store starts waving a gun and rampaging, I’ll make sure I take him out while you hide under the produce...

It’s EASY to side with the police. Do a little research first... The case in New Mex was domestic.


22 posted on 07/13/2010 5:21:50 AM PDT by bfh333 ("Hope"... "Change"... You better HOPE you have some CHANGE after the next 4 years!)
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To: biggredd1

“The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun,...”

Not true, and I wasn’t even there! Better read some eyewitness stories before you make stuff like that up!


25 posted on 07/13/2010 5:38:14 AM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: biggredd1

Then I’m sure there is security camera footage showing this. In fact it’s probably been released right? Oh wait, it hasn’t. Wonder why?


28 posted on 07/13/2010 5:54:49 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: biggredd1
Unh? There are eyewitnesses standing within a couple of yards who are saying it happened differently.

If you have some videos of the event, come forth ~ you will be needed as a witness.

In the meantime everybody else in the country is going to get busy organizing a ruinous boycott of COSTCO. People cannot feel safe there if employees can call in shooters like that.

32 posted on 07/13/2010 5:59:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: biggredd1
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.

No one is certain what happened at this point. So take it down a few notches.

I take that back. We do know a few things. One, we know that an employee called police and said the guy had a gun. Two, we know that people were thrown into a panic when the police arrived. Three: we know that the police shot the man dead and that he in fact had at least one concealed weapon. Four, we know that the dead man was a graduate of West Point and Duke, that he held down a good job, and that he had taken the precaution to obtain a concealed carry permit.

There are factual scenarios consistent with those facts that do not make the dead man out to be a crazed, gun-waving nutjob.

I wil also say this: people tend to see what they want to see, what they expect to see. If the police arrived at COSTCO expecting to see a crazed, gun-waving nutjob, that's what they are likely to see even if in fact all that happened is that a gun-hating employee saw an ordinary guy acting ordinary, and spied a concealed carry weapon on him.

A tragic case. It is NOT going to impact my concealed carry habits in the slightest.

34 posted on 07/13/2010 6:10:14 AM PDT by behzinlea (a)
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You actually believe this line of BS? If he was so crazy why then didn’t store security isolate him? Why was he allowed to leave with the rest of the customers? Why didn’t any of the customers notice a crazy man, hell, I can hear people disciplining their kids from 5 aisles away! If he was so crazy why did the patrons have to be TOLD to leave the store? I don’t need anyone to tell me to leave when someone is going beserk, do you? He had to be pointed out to the police by the employee once outside, he obviously wasn’t acting bizarre then. Do you get that frightened at the site of a gun? Jeez, I feel better knowing people around me are armed!


42 posted on 07/13/2010 6:41:47 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: biggredd1

Oh please. Do you really believe that garbage?


44 posted on 07/13/2010 6:46:54 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote
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To: biggredd1
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.

There are so many errors in your account that it's hard to even know where to begin.

1. There is no evidence that he was "damaging/rampaging" anything in the store. The Costco employee claimed that, but witness accounts say nothing more than he was placing water bottles in his cart.

2. He had a concealed carry license AND Nevada is an open carry state.

3. The only person that "panicked" was the Costco employee who didn't like the fact that he was carrying concealed. Other customers didn't think anything was wrong until the cops started shooting.

49 posted on 07/13/2010 6:58:40 AM PDT by conimbricenses
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How do you know he was RAMPAGING in the srore?


50 posted on 07/13/2010 7:01:07 AM PDT by Mtn Pass (Buy beans and bullets!)
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To: biggredd1

“It is easy to monday morning quarterback the police.”

Pot, meet kettle.


64 posted on 07/13/2010 8:54:19 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around.

This account doesn't match the previous press story. I have a feeling this is going to be ugly.

65 posted on 07/13/2010 9:02:46 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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From earlier reports the damaging/rampaging was the fantasy of some Costco checkout clerk who saw Scott’s gun, safely tucked in its holster, as it was when police arrived. It was this false report by an anti-gun Costco employee who set off this horrific, tragic chain of events.


66 posted on 07/13/2010 9:03:36 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: biggredd1

I suggest you read post #2 above before you post any further...


76 posted on 07/13/2010 10:10:54 AM PDT by bcsco (First there was Slick Willie. Now there's "Oil Slick" Barry...)
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LV metro may just shoot YOU someday because a casino employee falsly reports something about YOU , plant a gun, say you were on a rampage and throw YOU on gurney , done deal, throw YOU in the dumpster.....

NEXT victim please ! !

as the gangster Las vegas system has it all covered up by now. and the mayors brother will be the attorney for the family.

nothing to see here folks move along

89 posted on 07/13/2010 12:09:59 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: biggredd1
The guy was damaging/rampaging in the store and had an exposed gun, creating panic to the people around. Did he think he was OK to leave the store and nothing? The suspect had very little leeway of not following immediate instruction by the police. It was just yesterday that a person went inside a busines in New Mexico and shot several people. It is easy to monday morning quarterback the police.

Translation: "It's OK to execute a West Point graduate if a liberal anti-gun weasel gets their undies in a bunch about the West Point graduate carrying a concealed weapon."

96 posted on 07/14/2010 10:52:24 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Watching the MSM with Obama is like watching Joslyn James with Tiger Woods)
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