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To: aSeattleConservative
Just out of curiousity, how does God (through Scripture of course) feel about allowing "community standards" to override His word?

It's not a question of "overriding God's Word". It's a question of Property Rights, a scared principle enshrined in God's Word.

As a Taxpayer, I am part Owner of the Public Commons -- and I intend to cast my shareholder's vote of what I wish to allow on "my" Property.

But my neighbor's Property, isn't mine to control. That's Sinful Covetousness, and Trespassing. And those are amongst the Five Great Harms that the Civil Government is supposed to Punish.

Does He say somewhere in Scripture where His word should be obeyed, EXCEPT when it comes to the majority vote of the community or on private property? Do you have more of a "right" (through God's eyes) to sin on private property than on public? I'm well aware of your "Christian libertarian" leanings where the church and family are to intervene in acts that Christian libertarians such as yourself feel shouldn't be handled by the state (it's flawed way of thinking, terribly flawed). As little jeremiah stated, the garbage that you allow to go on in your home and yard oozes out into your neighbor's property and elsewhere into your community and our society. Look at drug use and it's inherent abuse. Look at the damage it's done to the family, and hence what the breakdown of the family has done to society. Can you not see these sort of things?

Everything you just said, could also be said (and has been said) about alcohol as well.

Prohibition of alcohol didn't work either. All it did was create higher profit margins for smugglers, which in turn encouraged the most lawless and violent elements of criminal society to enter the trade and prosper. As they're doing now.

As a result, unless he's nabbing some Scotch from his dad's liquor cabinet, it is MUCH, MUCH easier for a teen-age kid in America to get his hands on a half-ounce of marijuana, than a half-pint of vodka. Know why?

Liquor store owners don't want to lose their liquor license, and the steady 25% profit margin they make by selling ONLY to adults.
Drug dealers don't care.

The Lord established three fundamental institutions for the governance of men: family, the Church, and civil government. While these three institutions are separate spheres of authority under God, they clearly have mutually supportive, interwoven functions. The performance — or lack of performance — of each inescapably influences the functioning of the other two.

Sure. But those DIFFERENT "spheres of sovereignty" (have you really read enough Kuyper to understand his argument?) are responsible for enforcing DIFFERENT parts of the Law of God. For example, there's not a single verse of Scripture, Old or New, that ever implies in any way that intoxication on private property should be against the Civil Law. That's a wholly human and UnBiblical legal invention -- and the results of Civil Prohibition have been predictably catastrophic: more money in drug profits, more blood on the streets, and more kids getting their hands on the stuff.

Yes, but was that fraud done on PRIVATE PROPERTY? (aSeattleConservatie throws in some sarcasm into his post).

Adultery is a grievous Breach of Contract and is one of the Five Great Harms that the Civil Government is supposed to Punish, even on Private Property. Romans 13:1-10 makes that perfectly clear. Randall Terry is just fortunate that a Christian Libertarian like myself isn't in charge of writing his State's laws on the subject -- he would not have been able to screw over Mrs. Terry as viciously, callously, and impenitently as he surely has.

Whatever Randall Terry has done that may have been wrong in the eyes of God (as well as the "Godly" laws of man) can't hide the fact that he's literally saved MILLIONS of innocent lives through his pro-life efforts. For that, I will ALWAYS be grateful to him.

He hasn't saved millions. Just how big do you think Operation Rescue ever was? Even at our all-out push in the Wichita Summer of Mercy, it only took 7,000 arrests to break our lines. After that, there just weren't any more Christians who were sufficiently-committed to the Pro-Life cause to be willing to man the barricades. We were broken.

And it wasn't Randall Terry saving the few hundred or few thousand lives which might have been saved. Just how many abortion clinics do you think he chained himself to? Terry may like to take the credit himself (boy, does he ever), but it was the thousands of Operation Rescue foot soldiers who provided the bodies to block the doors.

Foot soldiers whom Terry was more than willing to sell out, along with the rest of the Pro-Life movement, 'cause he decided his twenty-something secretary was cuter than the Wife of his Youth.

Some "great Pro-Life leader". It's a shame that you look up to that fraud. He broke a lot of Pro-Life hearts -- not just Cindy Terry's.

291 posted on 06/29/2010 3:35:13 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
But my neighbor's Property, isn't mine to control. That's Sinful Covetousness, and Trespassing. And those are amongst the Five Great Harms that the Civil Government is supposed to Punish.

You're confused with the word "covet". Covetousness has nothing to do with enforcing God's moral laws.
Link to Scripture on covetousness

Regarding private property rights: Man's dominion over the earth has not vested any individual with the right to own any specific property, however. What man received was the authority to own property, not a conveyance of title. Nor does the Bible teach that God gave all the earth and its contents to all mankind in common. No title to any property was conveyed until God put Adam into the Garden of Eden. See Genesis 2:15. And, God took the title to Eden away from Adam and Eve as a result of their disobedience of His laws. The title to Eden was not determined on the basis of labor, dominion authority or other right. Rather, the account of Adam and Eve reveals that all property is the gift of God.

Because property is the gift of God to man in his familial capacity, the nature of civil authority over property is necessarily limited to punishing wrongdoing, such as theft. Examples of laws which are generally intended to serve this purpose are laws of descent and standards of proper weights and measures. Other laws which the civil ruler may enforce are laws against trespass (an intrusion upon lawful property use), and nuisance (using one's property to interfere with another's use of property). In each case, civil laws are designed to facilitate family dominion, not usurp it. If this protective authority is exceeded, as is the case in many zoning ordinances, the family's authority is usurped.
Link to Reclaiming Dominion

Put down the Ron Paul libertarian bong CC, you'll be a better man for it.

Everything you just said, could also be said (and has been said) about alcohol as well.
Prohibition of alcohol didn't work either.

Ah yes, FINALLY we get to what dopertarianism...ahem...libertarianism is all about, the legalization of recreational drugs. Let's see what Scripture says about intoxicating oneself:
Link to Bible on Drugs and Alcohol

Keep in mind that we've become a society of "ism's": Hedonism, nihilism and narcissism, do you really want to unleash recreational drugs on a society like ours (keeping in mind that IT IS AGAINST SCRIPTURE TO GET HIIIIGH?)

"...the magistrate, the ruler, "is the minister of God to thee for good" (vs. 4). The ruler is God's minister, His diakonos. He is a deacon, a laborer, a ministrant, an attendant to people for God. As the derivation of diakonos shows, he is one who runs errands: God's errands. In particular, he is to be a Christian teacher and pastor. If the ruler is the minister of God to men for good, then he must rule in accordance with God's judgment of the good, not man's willful, subjective desire to redefine the good. If the ruler is a minister to men for good then he must enforce God's law, not man's desires: there is no other alternative."

"All law commands human action; it seeks either to restrain or to urge particular actions. It necessarily says either "Thou shalt" or "Thou shalt not," and it backs these commands to action or restraint with coercion, with sanctions enforced by the power of the sword. The sword and the word are united in law. And because the word commands action by men, the word of law is necessarily a morel teaching, a teaching which seeks to guide the ruled along a particular way of action, of life. This way of life which the law-word commands is what the ruler or lawgiver considers good, and for this reason it is again inevitably a moral teaching, of one sort or another."

Man's laws either encourages immoral behavior (as in Roe v. Wade) or discourages it (as seen in other legitimate laws such as "thou shalt not murder and thou shalt not steal").

Regarding Randall Terry: Not that I don't want to take the word of a Christian Capitalist that wants to DESTROY millions of lives through the legalization of recreational drugs, but I learned long ago that there are always two sides to EVERY story.

292 posted on 06/29/2010 9:47:44 AM PDT by aSeattleConservative
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