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To: Las Vegas Ron
Don't have to wait long. We are not talking about "reasoning" or "thoughts" here. We are talking about law.

The Constitution was amended in 1868 to include a very specific sentence. Was Madison consulted on this amendment? No, he had died by then. So those who wrote it, changed the Constitution in their own time and for their own reasons. They changed it in part to read:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Around 1870, a baby (Wong Kim Ark) was born to two Chinese citizen parents in San Fransisco. He left as a child and wanted to return from China to the United States later, but the United States had enacted a law prohibiting the immigration of Chinese citizens. His case went to the Supreme Court where they found that since he was born here, he was a natural born citizen and could thus move back.

The dissenting Justices in this case used the same Vattel style arguments. But the Supreme Court found in Ark's favor.

This is my line of reasoning: The Constitution was modified to allow this rule of citizenship by place of birth. The law has been clearly codified by Congressional action. The Supreme Court has upheld this interpretation.

Now if you don't like it, you have every right to attempt to amend the Constitution. I would even vote for it.

34 posted on 06/22/2010 5:17:37 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Around 1870, a baby (Wong Kim Ark) was born to two Chinese citizen parents in San Fransisco. He left as a child and wanted to return from China to the United States later, but the United States had enacted a law prohibiting the immigration of Chinese citizens. His case went to the Supreme Court where they found that since he was born here, he was a natural born citizen and could thus move back.

Total BS.

From Ankeny again:

"We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language..."

Because Wong Ark was not that's why.

As it says in quotes above, Justice Gray who wrote the Opinion never proclaimed him as a natural born citizen. He couldn't make that fly and neither can you.

37 posted on 06/22/2010 5:23:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

This is my line of reasoning: The Constitution was modified to allow this rule of citizenship by place of birth. The law has been clearly codified by Congressional action. The Supreme Court has upheld this interpretation</>LOL....actually LMFAO....you’re an amature....you need some serious catching up to do.


43 posted on 06/22/2010 5:30:26 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
This is my line of reasoning: The Constitution was modified to allow this rule of citizenship by place of birth. The law has been clearly codified by Congressional action. The Supreme Court has upheld this interpretation

LOL....actually LMFAO....you're an amature....you need some serious catching up to do.

44 posted on 06/22/2010 5:32:24 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; Lurking Libertarian
Photobucket Photobucket Did the Courts have these documents depicting the Founders meaning and understanding naturels means natural born?
46 posted on 06/22/2010 5:36:45 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Why are you lying about Wong Kim Ark?


215 posted on 06/24/2010 9:11:30 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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