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Experts review S.C. Senate ballots
Politico ^ | June 11, 2010 | David Catanese

Posted on 06/11/2010 12:08:05 PM PDT by jazusamo

The campaign of defeated Democratic Senate candidate Vic Rawl has assembled a team of national academic experts to review Tuesday’s perplexing South Carolina primary results that propelled a virtually unknown, underfunded and unemployed candidate to the party’s nomination over a veteran officeholder and public official.

Rawl campaign manager Walter Ludwig tells POLITICO three different teams of experts in election data analysis are combing through the results in the state’s 46 counties and already turning up some eye-opening trend lines.

The review is in response to the shocking victory by 32-year-old Alvin Greene, who, despite never giving a campaign speech or running any television or radio ads, managed to handily defeat Rawl 59 percent to 41 percent. The state party chairwoman has already asked Greene to step aside, and Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) has speculated that he might be a Republican plant.

Greene has pledged to remain in the race and said he has “always been a Democrat.”

While Ludwig cautioned that the campaign is not jumping to any conclusions, he said the experts, who volunteered their services, have already uncovered some “curious” findings in the election data.

One potential red flag: A significant difference between the results of absentee and election day ballots.

According to Ludwig, of the state’s 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots.

“The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don’t know what it means,” Ludwig said in an interview. “We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn’t happen in any other races on the ballot.”

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

In Spartanburg County, Ludwig said there are 25 precincts in which Greene received more votes than were actually cast and 50 other precincts where votes appeared to be missing from the final count.

“In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast,” Ludwig said.

Greene also racked up a 75 percent or greater margin in one-seventh of all precincts statewide, a mark that Ludwig notes is even difficult for an incumbent to reach.

“This may add up to nothing. This all could be a clerical error. We don’t know but thought it was worth looking into,” said Ludwig, who added that the experts doing the unpaid research asked that their names not be revealed until they disclose their conclusions.

Ludwig said the experts could be prepared to offer their findings by late Friday but cautioned that it’s likely not to be definitive.

“These are not detectives, they look at huge amounts of election data that say this doesn’t look like it should, or it does,” he said.

Asked what else could explain Greene’s unlikely rise, Ludwig appeared to be at a loss.

He said the campaign sent out 300,000 e-mails, conducted a quarter -million robocalls and logged nearly 17,000 miles to Democratic events around the state.

“I was tracking the guy everywhere and there was nothing to track. Am I kicking myself in the ass? Sure. I’m just not sure what we would’ve done different,” he said.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: alvingreene; congress; democrats; elections; elections2010; greene; primary; rawl; sc; senate; southcarolina; ussenate
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To: evets

Wasn’t he with the Commodores?


61 posted on 06/11/2010 12:41:40 PM PDT by RockinRight (I can see November from here!)
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To: 4rcane

he got 84 percent from absentee ballots. I think theres cheating going on. Maybe not from Greene, but certainly from a democrat who have been able to generate tonnes of absentee votes


62 posted on 06/11/2010 12:43:16 PM PDT by 4rcane (Tennessee flood)
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To: ZX12R
Lol. Newsweak has experts discussing name recognition,
and alphabetical order satitstics, but they conclude
that the result was most likely sabotage!
clowns
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/11/expert-opposition-campaign-suspect-foul-play-in-south-carolina-primary.html

63 posted on 06/11/2010 12:43:43 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: jiggyboy
Kevin Gray...says Alvin Greene...sounds like he's black?

I guess Mr. Gray only sees things in Black and White. ;~))

64 posted on 06/11/2010 12:45:34 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Time to Clean House.)
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To: jazusamo

is this sore loserman again?


65 posted on 06/11/2010 12:49:06 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: jazusamo

I wonder what the difference is in absentee ballot use between black and white voters in SC.


66 posted on 06/11/2010 12:49:53 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Ditto

and maybe gray...


67 posted on 06/11/2010 12:50:21 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: 4rcane

ive been suspicious on how democrats are able to get the large majority of absentee votes. How is it that large majority of democrats prefer to vote via absentee than showing up at the ballot box over republicans? Is there no verification of those ppl who claim to be who they say they were. Maybe thers a group out there e.g acorn who has collected tonnes of ppl’s name and address and just voting with these data without their conscent?


68 posted on 06/11/2010 12:51:21 PM PDT by 4rcane (Tennessee flood)
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To: dalebert
sore loserman

That was hilarious, I'll never forget those signs.

69 posted on 06/11/2010 12:53:31 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

He had all the PC advantage he was both black and green.
There are a lot of people that vote for a good sounding name.


70 posted on 06/11/2010 12:56:45 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: jazusamo
“The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don’t know what it means,"

It means more people on election day showed up and voted for Greene. Sheesh...pay me something for giving the answer. Thanks.
71 posted on 06/11/2010 12:58:22 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: jazusamo

Hanging Chad Alert...


72 posted on 06/11/2010 12:59:00 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
One potential red flag: A significant difference between the results of absentee and election day ballots.

ACORN just got confused!

73 posted on 06/11/2010 12:59:41 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: mmichaels1970

Yep, pretty obvious. They’ve got to be part of the “who am I” and “what am I” crowd. :)


74 posted on 06/11/2010 1:04:56 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Shannon

In Chicago so many people automatically vote for an Irish name that candidates have been known to change their name. The judicial ballot is especially tedious to go through. A couple of elections ago, a woman whose married name was not Irish but whose maiden name was legally changed her name to show both her maiden name and her married name and was duly elected.


75 posted on 06/11/2010 1:08:07 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Ev Reeman
This is a really serious issue and I'm glad that you took the time to post some of your opinions concerning the remedies. I only have a couple of quibbles.

Third, ONLY US citizens should be allowed to vote; NO ILLEGAL ALIENS.

This is the law now, but through the motor voter act and other democrat initiatives we tacitly allow it. A drivers license or state issued ID should indicate citizenship which would match with your first point and would resolve this issue.

Fourth, anybody convicted of a felony and who has served time in prison should lose their ability to vote.

Once a convicted felon has paid their debt to society (jail time and probation) then their rights should be restored. Redemption has to be a possibility or recidivism will be 100%. If a convicted felon is still a danger to society then they should still be incarcerated. I would stretch far enough to ban all felons from seeking office or appointed positions.
76 posted on 06/11/2010 1:08:09 PM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: jazusamo

Gosh, what whiners these Rats are. The establishment Rats get clobbered by the “Coffee Party” Rats, and they immediately start screaming, and crying, and carrying on, and start trying to steal the election back that didn’t go the way they wanted it to go.


77 posted on 06/11/2010 1:08:20 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: evets
From your link:

Along the way, it relays an anecdote from one Manning, S.C. barbershop owner who said Greene brought in a flier and asked to tape it to the window, but forgot to bring tape.

He'll be perfect for when investigators ask for files - he lost them or forgot where they were. A perfect Democrat.

78 posted on 06/11/2010 1:09:14 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: jazusamo
While many comments in the report indicate a number of questionable circumstances in the votes, the following comments would seem to me to indicate the possibility that the party machine was working the "absentee" ballot process to tip the balance AGAINST Greene.

"According to Ludwig, of the state’s 46 counties, half have a disparity of greater than 10 percentage points between the absentee and election day ballots."

“The election day ballots all favor Mr. Greene. We don’t know what it means,” Ludwig said in an interview. “We did significantly better on absentees than Election Day, which is according to the mathematicians, quite significant. The other reason is, it didn’t happen in any other races on the ballot.”

In Lancaster County, Rawl won absentee ballots over Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among Election Day voters by 17 percentage points.

Inordinate absentee ballot surges are usually NOT the province of fringe, outsiders. They are usually the workings of the big party machines.

79 posted on 06/11/2010 1:11:24 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: jazusamo
“In only two of 88 precincts, do the number of votes Greene got plus the number we got equal the total cast,” Ludwig said

Forget Greene, that is a stinging indictment of the basic integrity of our ballot boxes.

We had this happen at a convention in PWC, and it was considered a major scandal. And yet in less than 5% of an actual, officially-run election could they actually track the number of votes with the number of voters.

80 posted on 06/11/2010 1:11:49 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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