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The Tea Party and the Drug War
National Review ^ | June 7, 2010 | Jeffrey A. Miron

Posted on 06/07/2010 11:20:04 AM PDT by bamahead

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To: clee1
We draw the line where it should always be drawn in order to maximize personal liberty. Any behavior that doesn’t cause harm to an uninvolved party should be legal.

I'm not so sure the line can be so easily drawn. At some point, the damage done to the fabric of society needs to be taken into account.

What about the families of those on drugs? Do we just let the kids go hungry because dad is a druggie? After all, it isn't OUR fault he takes drugs. If he wants the liberty to get high, then we let his family suffer as "punishment" for his addiction?

I am just not convinced that legalization of drugs is the way to go. And yes, I'm aware the same issues can be made with alcohol, which is currently legal. I'm one who was a hungry, sometimes homeless kid because of dad's drinking. Thank God mom finally gave up on him and left. At any rate, the whole "but alcohol is legal" argument doesn't get anywhere with me.

41 posted on 06/07/2010 1:02:25 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: bamahead

The WOD’s is big business, To big to fail.


42 posted on 06/07/2010 1:10:01 PM PDT by muddler (Obama is either incompetent or malicious, and it makes little difference which.)
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To: Deb

Okay, I’m going to go ahead and put you down as a jack-boot there Deb. You see, you are a moron. Show me anywhere where I said I don’t want drug laws enforced and I’ll take it back, but you won’t, so I won’t. You want to equate me with Bill Clinton? F*CK YOU. You’re idea of freedom is a lot closer to what both Clintons want than me or any real FReeper.

I’m guessing your real problem is you can’t get a man. Yeah, thats probably it.


43 posted on 06/07/2010 1:18:50 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: subterfuge

Holy mackerel.


44 posted on 06/07/2010 1:21:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bamahead

Look at what the drug issue has done for the Libertarian Party since they made it their signature issue.


45 posted on 06/07/2010 1:21:45 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: trisham

Yeah, I know. Sorry trisham. “Deb” is on the verge of his conservative credentials being revoked.


46 posted on 06/07/2010 1:22:41 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Deb; Bokababe; dcwusmc; rabscuttle385
Or maybe you favor such a course of action, so long as you're making the determination.

Exactly. Statists come in all forms and all sizes. Some even call themselves conservatives, hide on conservative forums, and call themselves Republicans.

Someone said it best the other day - Democrats want a mommy government, and Republicans want a daddy government. There is no difference between the two. They're all statists and basically 'progressives' when you strip down to it. They advocate increasing federal power beyond that which is enumerated to impose their will on others. Not people I want on 'my' side!
47 posted on 06/07/2010 1:25:27 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: MEGoody

The “but alcohol is legal” argument gets nowhere with me, either.

Families of addicts are not “society’s” problem. Teenage pregnancy wasn’t society’s problem either until the shame of being pregnant w/o being married became passe’ in our culture.

I don’t mean to sound heartless, but I don’t think there will be more addicts if drugs are legalized, nor do I believe that less families suffer because they are currently illegal.

My objection to the WoD is based on the corruption and police-state tactics that have emerged as a result, as well as the patriot notion that my personal business has no place within goobermint oversight UNLESS it causes immediate harm to another.

Try it this way: It is legal for me to get drunk as a skunk, but driving that way is (rightfully) forbidden.


48 posted on 06/07/2010 1:31:23 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Moonman62

The problem at the Party level is that practically made it their ONLY issue. And I admit, the legalization rationale does sound ridiculous standing on it’s own, until you quantify it within an overall movement toward smaller, less intrusive government, and the elimination of the welfare state as a whole.

The Libertarian Party has failed to craft that message as part of the broader move toward smaller government. Purists are only good at picking one issue and running with it...they typically don’t have the mental depth to make it part of a broader strategy, nor are they adept at effectively communicating that strategy. And the Libertarian Party has been controlled by rather unrealistic purists for some time now, since the early 80’s.


49 posted on 06/07/2010 1:31:41 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: subterfuge
If I have any "problem" at all, its that too many amazing and extraordinary men love me, but I don't consider that a problem. Gorgeous, yummy, brilliant men. Happy happy, joy joy. What were talking about?

Oh, yeah, your happiness at destroying generations of young people with drugs.

But I appreciate your concern about my life. Not easy to find in self-obsessed, dope-drenched losers with no regard for the future of the country.

50 posted on 06/07/2010 1:35:01 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Only a ‘tard calls people losers instead of arguing one’s case.

‘Tard.

:-P


51 posted on 06/07/2010 1:37:14 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: subterfuge

When someone believes that the only alternative to absolute federal control of the development, manufacture, sale and use of all drugs across the general population is anarchy, I don’t believe you’re going to have much luck getting them to latch on to concepts like constitutional repblics and government powers being limited to explicit enumerations.


52 posted on 06/07/2010 1:39:51 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: bamahead

You cross-dressing Marxists don’t deserve a “side”.


53 posted on 06/07/2010 1:39:54 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Got you down as the jack-boot deb, no problemo. Now go back to mucking up your state. And I’m still thinking you’re probably a guy.


54 posted on 06/07/2010 1:39:55 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: gogogodzilla

I can do both!


55 posted on 06/07/2010 1:41:02 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: tacticalogic
When someone believes that the only alternative to absolute federal control of the development, manufacture, sale and use of all drugs across the general population is anarchy, I don’t believe you’re going to have much luck getting them to latch on to concepts like constitutional repblics and government powers being limited to explicit enumerations.

True. I have a close relative like that. Completely separated from any semblence of reality or logic, sadly.

56 posted on 06/07/2010 1:42:34 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: bamahead

I’d like to propose the FR corollary to Godwin’s law, thus: “As a FR dope/LE thread grows longer, the probability of a Libertarian calling a conservative a “statist” approaches unity”.


57 posted on 06/07/2010 1:43:32 PM PDT by absalom01 (Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: subterfuge
True. I have a close relative like that. Completely separated from any semblence of reality or logic, sadly.

FDR wasn't one to let a good crisis go to waste, either.

58 posted on 06/07/2010 1:54:21 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: subterfuge
And you should see my "jack boots"! I have purple, really cool Kelly green and black ones with American flags.

Tyically, its leftist pigs like you who think I'm a man because you can't imagine someone as blonde, aqua-eyed and adorable as I, could ever be so brilliant, kick your pimply ass so completely and also be female. But I am, in fact, a pink-cheeked, Scottish lass.

You are now free to continue polluting your teeny brain with whatever you can get up your nose.

59 posted on 06/07/2010 1:56:18 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Deb

Is that all you’ve got there, Jack-boot? Sounds like you’re admitting to being a slut to me. I think the government should regulate that destructive behavior of yours. What with your juvenile tag-line and obvious infatuation with yourself, anyone can see that your going to need government supervision.

Keepem’ coming jack-boot, I’ve got all day.


60 posted on 06/07/2010 1:59:44 PM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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