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Guns in Churches Bill Being Reworked(CA)
katc.com ^ | 6 June, 2010 | Melissa Hawkes

Posted on 06/07/2010 5:01:36 AM PDT by marktwain

Churches are places where people come together and worship, but some state legislators believe churches need to have better security.

Reverend Harold Trahan, pastor at St. Mary Catholic Church, said "I hope that if they do pass this law, that'll be up to the local pastor to say I do not want this implemented in my church."

Reverand Trahan has been a pastor for 41 years at St. Mary Catholic Church in Lafayette. He says he's never once felt his safety was threatened.

"I have never seen anyone with a gun in a church and I don't want anyone to start,” Trahan said. “I don't believe that children should be seeing people carry firearms in the church, I'm very much against it."

Under the proposed bill, before a handgun could be brought into a church or any place of worship, the entire congregation would have to be notified first.

Mark Riley, a member of Asbury United Methodist Church, "if a minister is scared or upset about it then he is going to scare and upset his congregation. If he handles it properly then I don't think he's going to scare the congregation any."

The proposed bill would have churches, mosques and synagogues apply for a concealed gun permit, so the decision of whether or not to use handguns for security would be up to the head of the church.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; ca; ccw; church
What an insane, anti-freedom bill. It violates both the Second Amendment and the First Amendment because it violates freedom of religion. Why should a church have to follow these stupid regulations if they do not want to? They can already exclude people with guns if they so choose.
1 posted on 06/07/2010 5:01:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“It is the right and duty of the people to be at all times armed, for in such manner is tyranny kept in check.”

How many centuries must that be repeated before the socialism impaired get the message?

One does wonder why the socialism impaired didn’t get the message during the Starving Winter.


2 posted on 06/07/2010 5:16:02 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: marktwain
He says he's never once felt his safety was threatened. "I have never seen anyone with a gun in a church and I don't want anyone to...

So the one time somebody shoots down a few of his parishioners he'll admit he might have been wrong?

3 posted on 06/07/2010 5:42:52 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: marktwain

The only people going to church with a gun with an intent to kill people, are people who would do the same thing even after the law is passed, probably with less anxiety since they know nobody is going to shoot back! These STUPID “feel good” liberals are going to get us all killed!


4 posted on 06/07/2010 5:43:11 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: marktwain
... a second thought. Maybe it is time to start proposing some bills that would start pushing things to the RIGHT .. we are always bombarded with "baby steps" pushing us to the LEFT. Why don't we propose a bill that all adults over 21 must carry a firearm if they are in public places ... this to send messages to drug dealers, murderers, etc ... so our streets would be safe from these elements. We need such a bill to keep our children safe.

The "left" would break out in hysteria. We need to be pushing back, legislatively, just as hard as we are being pushed. This bill probably won't go anywhere, and neither would the one I propose. But if a CLEAR "other side" is presented, perhaps the drift "left" would slow down or stop.

5 posted on 06/07/2010 5:49:36 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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Under the proposed bill.....the entire congregation would have to be notified first......The proposed bill would have churches, mosques and synagogues apply for a concealed gun permit,....

I believe that individuals with permits should be able to carry a hand gun anywhere they want, with maybe the exception of bars, never the less I see this as a stupid law that was written by some liberal. The main purpose of this law is to get rid of the conceal nature of the hand guns because they know the majority of Christians would not want others in the congregations to be wearing guns in full view of their kids. Once they get rid of the concealed part of existent laws they will be trying to get rid of the guns period. Also I believe this law was written by a liberal that wants to look like a conservative but in reality is a liberal that crafts a bill that looks conservative somewhat but knows it will fail and then they will use the failed law to say Christian don't want others to have concealed guns. Second they are interviewing pastors in main line liberal denominations which it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the pastors in these congregations are against individuals as having guns period. I could go on but I think most of you will get the idea.

6 posted on 06/07/2010 6:16:34 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: marktwain
Under the proposed bill.....the entire congregation would have to be notified first......The proposed bill would have churches, mosques and synagogues apply for a concealed gun permit,....

I believe that individuals with permits should be able to carry a hand gun anywhere they want, with maybe the exception of bars, never the less I see this as a stupid law that was written by some liberal. The main purpose of this law is to get rid of the conceal nature of the hand guns because they know the majority of Christians would not want others in the congregations to be wearing guns in full view of their kids. Once they get rid of the concealed part of existent laws they will be trying to get rid of the guns period. Also I believe this law was written by a liberal that wants to look like a conservative but in reality is a liberal that crafts a bill that looks conservative somewhat but knows it will fail and then they will use the failed law to say Christian don't want others to have concealed guns. Second they are interviewing pastors in main line liberal denominations which it wouldn't surprise me if the majority of the pastors in these congregations are against individuals as having guns period. I could bring out a whole bunch of other points in my head, but other things are calling for my attention right now, never the less I think most of you will get my main thinking on this.

7 posted on 06/07/2010 6:20:11 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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Whoops I didn’t realize I posted my thoughts twice, too much time on my hands.


8 posted on 06/07/2010 6:21:26 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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I have never seen anyone with a gun in a church...

Hey twit, if they have a concealed handgun license, you never will unless you NEED them to.

9 posted on 06/07/2010 6:22:41 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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"I have never seen anyone with a gun in a church and I don't want anyone to start,” Trahan said. “I don't believe that children should be seeing people carry firearms in the church, I'm very much against it."

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Idiot. They were -- and are -- there -- but concealed. If you never saw them, the children didn't either. That's what "concealed" means...

Aside from one LEO who let his jacket slip a bit, I've never seen a sidearm in church, either. But I pity any thug who tries to threaten anyone there. Forget the rest of the congregation; the Deacons alone represent a sizeable armed force. But, unless the SHTF, you wouldn't have a clue that was the case.

Trahan is a stupid, head-in-the-sand, incurable liberal ass...

10 posted on 06/07/2010 6:45:41 AM PDT by TXnMA
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"I have never seen anyone with a gun in a church and I don't want anyone to start,” Trahan said. “I don't believe that children should be seeing people carry firearms in the church, I'm very much against it."

Yes, because guns are bad, bad, bad. /s

11 posted on 06/07/2010 6:54:17 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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Recently we had some nutcase stroll into our church during the service, grab the podium, and start making idiotic proclamations about who knows what.

It really brought home to me how easy it would be for this guy to start shooting at 1200 people.

Personally I’d like it to be mandatory to have at least two ushers required to carry.


12 posted on 06/07/2010 7:01:39 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: TangoLimaSierra
So the one time somebody shoots down a few of his parishioners he'll admit he might have been wrong?

If someone opens fire in MY church, I hope all the parishoners have the common sense to hit the deck, because the crossfire is going to be intense.

13 posted on 06/07/2010 7:04:16 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
re: people going to church with a gun with an intent to kill people

Liberals pass laws to help how they feel, not to affect the behavior of others. I can't think of a single shooting episode where the shooter hadn't already broken at least a dozen laws. Why will one more make a difference.

I know there are exceptions to every rule, but in my mind no one intent on doing harm is going to be deterred by a law that makes an otherwise law-abiding citizen a criminal because they are armed.

14 posted on 06/07/2010 7:41:15 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: marktwain
This Louisiana (LA) not California (CA)

Thanks

15 posted on 06/07/2010 7:41:30 AM PDT by 7.62mm ("Quis costodiet, ipsos costodes?" Juvenal, Satires 6, Line 347)
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To: marktwain

Ping from an every-Sunday, freedom-loving concealed carrier.


16 posted on 06/07/2010 10:18:54 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: Fido969
If someone opens fire in MY church, I hope all the parishoners have the common sense to hit the deck, because the crossfire is going to be intense.

Indeed. I can count at least 5 concealed-carry men in my church of 450, and two women, although I don't think the ladies carry to worship like the guys do.

17 posted on 06/07/2010 10:20:09 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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