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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I'd like to focus on that question of the Vatican's responsibility for pederasts in the priesthood, right away. Please give me time to deal with the rest of it concerning Veritas in Caritate later, when I'm through with other family stuff this afternoon. (I do have a life outside of Free Republic :o)

"No confusion. When a bishop asks the Vatican for help with a pederast priest..."

There's your confusion right there. The bishop's responsibility when he has a pederast priest on his hands is (1) to cooperate with cops and criminal investigation. (2) To terminate the priest's assignment (e.g. whatever his "job" is: assistant pastor, campus ministry, whatever). (3) To suspend his faculties (his permission to hear confessions, celebrate Mass, minister the sacraments, any time, anywhere.)

He does not need the Vatican's "help" for any of this. It is the bishop's job to do this without delay. Period.

Is there any part of that that remains a question for you?

Abp Weakland's complication was that the Deaf School pederast (Lawrence Murphy) was very ill and living in a care facility (not even in his diocese, Milwaukee, but in the Diocese of Superior), and Weakland wanted to make sure that wherever he was buried, he wasn't buried as a priest. So he wanted him laicized, meaning, he wanted him released him from his vows. The dying Murphy didn't want to be laicized. And there was the sacramental matter to be resolved by the Vatican.(This is a question of whether Confession was abused. Again, this is not the criminal matter: this is the canonical matter.)

None of this has anything to do with the guy being criminally prosecuted, terminated from assignment, or suspended from priestly faculties. It has to do with the ecclesiastical (not secular) question of whether his funeral arrangements are going to be those of a cleric or a layman.

The criminal matter was to be dealt with, totally and completely, in Wisconsin, USA. Not by the Holy See. Not by the Vatican. Not by some guy at a desk at the Piazza del S. Uffizio, Roma, Italia.

All the Holy See would have a hand in, would be the technical question of the dispensation of vows (laicization), which would determine whether he would have the status of clergy or laity.

When contested, laicization requires a canonical trial. Murphy contested it. A canonical trial was in fact initiated, and Murphy died while a defendant in that trial. Do you get that?

A good afternoon to you.

Mo' later, on Veritas.

100 posted on 06/07/2010 2:35:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne." Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
There's your confusion right there. The bishop's responsibility when he has a pederast priest on his hands is (1) to cooperate with cops and criminal investigation.

And yet none of them did. Instead, they looked to the Vatican for help which generally resulted in being told to keep quiet and continue on as if nothing had happened.

The criminal matter was to be dealt with, totally and completely

Not if the police never knew about it. Not if the victim and his family were sworn to secrecy under threat of excommunication.

All the Holy See would have a hand in...

As evidence shows, the Holy See was told by one of its bishops that one of its priests was sexually molesting children, and the Holy See instructed that bishop to sit on that fact and not talk about it. To wait. "For the good of the universal church."

Sorry, Mrs. D. I don't have time to keep rebutting the vacuous, some would say evil defense of those who harbored and protected pederasts.

My suggestion is that you utilize all the time and effort you're spending defending the indefensible and put it to better use ridding your church of the pedophile mindset which obviously sees very little wrong with the status quo.

103 posted on 06/07/2010 2:54:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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