Posted on 06/03/2010 11:38:56 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
The first part is that he has to be located outside of the United States. So in order to apply for refugee status, he would have had to have applied at the US Consulate in Jakarta. His application would go through an initial review, and when there are a sufficient number of people waiting for interviews, the INS is notified. The agency then sends personnel, known as “circuit riders,” to the consulates where the interviews will be conducted. After passing the interview portion, the applicant is required to take a medical examination. He also has to obtain a sponsor. When all the paperwork is complete, it is sent to INS for review. He is then put on a list. Mind you all of this would have had to have taken place within a period of 2 months ( he was back in school in Hawaii in September ). There is no way that amount of paperwork ( especially back in the mid 70’s before the onslaught of PC’s ) could have been completed in 2 months.
It doesn’t matter what his mother said. He had to prove his immigration status to the INS. The only way for him to do that would be to show his passport. That would have shown the embarkation stamp of his arriving in Indonesia from the US. So he couldn’t claim he was not firmly resettled in another country. Then you have the major part that has to be proven in order to be granted refugee status. He had to demonstrate that he was persecuted or had fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group.
Pretty hard to claim that when you just arrived in the country. If he had that fear, it wouldn’t make any sense for him to fly back to Indonesia.
I agree with you that you can’t trust anything with the Dunhams about identification. Considering Grandma Toots was the VP of the largest bank in Hawaii and the friends that hung around - Frank Marshall Davis for one - it would not be too hard for them to acquire a dormant SS number. I think you are grasping at straws over this “refugee” theory. It just doesn’t hold up - both in the practical sense and legally. I wish it did, since that would show he was naturalized.
Frankly, I just thought it was an interesting idea and I’m prodding along to debate so it can be hashed out. I’m not really committed either way to the idea.
Where are you getting your information about those INS regulations from? Couldn’t Stanley Anne have had a friend in the State Department expedite & rubberstamp those sorts of matters?
It wouldn't be the State Department that handled requests, it would be the INS. Though it would be very coincidental that she would know someone who handled those matters. Even if it was expedited, it could not be done within a 2 month limit. Back in the mid 70's it took 30-45 days to get a visa issued ( and that is for a spouse married to a US citizen ). For refugees, there were only a certain number admitted each year from different regions of the world. There was still a backlog of Vietnamese refugee applicants waiting to get accepted. Indonesia would have fallen under the same region. I doubt Barry would have been put to the top of the list. Plus you have to get over the hurdle of proving he was persecuted. Like I said before, hard to prove that when you are flying back into the country you are claiming persecution and fear of life from. Also it would be more ridiculous for Stanley Anne to claim that, seeing as if it were in 1977, both she and her husband were living there and her husband wasn't claiming political persecution. The current INS procedures are here:
Of course all of these were not in place in the 70's ( biometric for example , but the main procedures were - submission at consulate , interview, physical. The "circuit riders" were in effect back then. I had a friend from college whose job was just that - although in South America ( he was stationed in Brazil ). He'd travel the circuit every couple of months. ( It is the same for IRS officers. They come to the consulates a few times a year for American citizens services ). So it is very unlikely that Barry could get all the paperwork done - even if he had false documents ( a separate passport, claims of political persecution ( though that is stretching it ) within a 2 month time frame.
As I recall, it was true for me and I was born in 1962.
Where were you living when you applied for you SS? Washington?
Nope, never lived in Washington at all.
Interesting, about when did you get your SS and do you remember where you applied for it or did you get it as an infant by way of your parents? Where were you living and are you sure it is supposed to be from
Washington? first three digits 531-539 WA.
Thanks you have got me curious as I have used the numbers as a check many times. Mine is not from where I was born but where I applied for it when I was 15 for my first over the table job.
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm
I didn’t apply for it myself, my parents did. It was forty years ago.
Are you sure your parents aren't misremembering when they actually applied for the number? I was born in October 1970, and my SSN was issued in 1971, since that's when my parents got around to sending in the paperwork.
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