Any other ELCA FReepers have dealt with this BS???
I've been a member of this church since 03 but I think this may be the last straw. I rather not go to church than be associated with a church that hates Israel.
I'm compassionate with their position, but I debate them no longer. They remain in support of apostacy, grasping at this straw and that....as if their "staying on" will somehow reverse the tide. At some point, foolishness, obstinacy and fear of change set in and I'm no longer compassionate....only very, very sorry for them.
I'm life-long Missouri Synod, thank God....but if this church is ever taken over by the social re-organizers also, I won't hang around out of misguided sentimentalism. God always points the way....and the way is found in the Word, not in the manifestos of the ELCA.
Leni
I am a former ELCA Lutheran who was received into the Orthodox Church in 2008.
The was after nine years of being associated with a Serbian Orthodox community—I demonstrated with the Serbs against clinton’s war in 1999, and a year or two later began attending Divine Liturgy once a month at the Serbian Orthodox Church. I stayed in the ELCA to fight the horrible liberal changes even though I was basically Orthodox already.
But once the ELCA adopted that horrible “liturgy” that made Father, Son, and Holy Spirit “optional”, and once my Serbian brothers and sisters set me straight that the ELCA was a lost cause, I sought reception into the Orthodox Church. I joined the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) for language reasons, but still go to the Serbian Orthodox Church once a month.
Since I became Orthodox, the ELCA adopted that “gay” resolution, and my former congregation is going from bad to worst, with “gays”, “transgendereds”, and all sorts of heresy. They suck up to the muslims, too, which I can’t stand!!!!
There are a variety of opinions about Israel in the Orthodox Church, from supporting it to being against it. However, NO Orthodox Church makes political pronouncements or “social statements”. Those are believed to be earthly things, while the Church is all about the Kingdom of God. And NO Orthodox Bishop or church body goes on a rant-fest against Israel, or fawns all over the muslims like Hanson and the Episcopalians do.
And if you are Lutheran, the Orthodox Church—founded by the Apostles—is your true home. Please try to learn about the relationship of the Lutheran and Orthodox Church, and come to Divine Liturgy (in English) at an Orthodox Church to begin learning about it.
Chicagoland is an Orthodox center—lots of good OCA and Serbian churches, among others. You should have no problems finding an English-language Orthodox Church in your area. Attend Divine Liturgy and ask lots of questions after the service at the coffee hour. “Come and see!”
..joined Presbyterian PCA...
..but from what I know & have seen of Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod....you should be happier there.
Our granddaugher goes to a Missouri synod private school, and we love it there.
The mainline churches are increasingly apostate...
..thus you have PCA Presbyterian birth after leaving mainline Presbyterian USA many many years ago...etc.
I attended the 2005 and 2007 Churchwide Assemblies. If I remember correctly, both had significant anti-Israel motions, and the majority of the voting members supported them. The ELCA has always been anti-Israel and many other things that made me think that the leadership was making policy right off of Democrat talking points. We left a couple of years ago, after being members of our church for 29 years.
Just try attending a LCMS service to see what you think of it. While all congregations are theologically conservative, the liturgy may vary from the English version of the 500 year old mass to the “Jesus is my boyfriend, aren’t I cool” service.
I understand the Israeli army allows gays to serve. If it comes out the commandos were gay, the ELCA will have a breakdown.
Seriously, try the LCMS, you will get the the Bible, not liberal tripe.