Frontier Feminism

The Spearhead ^ | May 21, 2010 | Hawaiian Libertarian

[Christian Cage]

A provocative look at Sarah Palin's disquieting connections to some aspects of feminism. Long overlooked by many mainstream conservatives.

[Grunthor]

If Palin supported legalization of dope, Liberaltarians would ADORE her.

[Nepeta]

Hmm. So you think that women should be paid less than men for the same jobs [and I do mean the VERY same jobs] and otherwise be treated as less than men? I have a religion for you: Islam.

[SnakeDoctor]

I think there is a strain of feminism, however miniscule, which is not contradictory to either Christianity or conservatism. Though I agree that most feminism is an exercise in female-superiority ... there appears to be a brand of feminism which is truly dedicated to legal equality of opportunity, and personal strength of character and faith ... not to the denigration of men.

That my wife is a strong, bright, capable woman does not detract from me in the least — it is a reflection of the household that I head.

SnakeDoc

[RobbyS]

A bit nutty, if you ask me. Frontier women were not known for daintiness. In pre-civil war Texas, they had to be pretty good with a gun in case the Comanches came to steal the silver/young children.

[Anti-Utopian]

The pioneer women were absolutely dependent on their men…just as the men were dependent on their women!

Not quite. Frontier men outnumbered women between twenty to one and ten to one for a century, and many of those women were disease-carrying prostitutes, aka "Frontier Feminists."

[jagusafr]

Hooboy - this is gonna be taken completely wrong, but: the act of submission is a voluntary placing of someone else’s priorities over your own. IOW, when Paul tells wives to “submit to your husbands”, he’s acknowledging that they have full power and authority over themselves, but that they should voluntarily let the husband be the final authority so that there is a final decider who will be held accountable.

Snake Doc, I’m with you. My wife of 24 years and 9 months is just like yours, and I’m prouder of her every day.

Colonel, USAFR

[donna]

Marx said that capitalism must be destroyed because it enslaved women.

In reality, Feminism has done it by destroying the family and leaving “liberated” women dependent on government.

[Lorianne]

Weak attack on Palin and on conservative feminists.

Expect a counter and if I were the author of this I’d take cover.

[Inyo-Mono]

Not quite. Frontier men outnumbered women between twenty to one and ten to one for a century, and many of those women were disease-carrying prostitutes, aka "Frontier Feminists."

You're commenting on the Old West Frontier period from, say the late 1860s to about 1890. The true Frontier period in America goes back to 1620.

[9YearLurker]

And conservative blacks who say they are for black empowerment through conservative principles would upset you too, I suppose.

[rob777]

"... that suffrage and the social engineering that has propelled women en masse into what was once the male sphere of gender roles are all still “good” things."


The suffrage part I agree with, but strongly dissent on the social engineering part. Social engineering is inherently opposed to individual liberty and should be opposed by those who cherish our tradition of ordered liberty.

[heye2monn]

There was a good article posted here the other day about how 70 percent of single women, including single moms, voted for O’Bummer. Those voters lie at the heart of the welfare state. They are the vanguard for the bankrupting of America.

[donna]

November 14, 2008
Women’s Voting Patterns in Election 2008

Unmarried women supported Barack Obama by a 70-to-29 percent margin, and they voted for Democratic House candidates by a similar margin — 64-to-29 percent. These margins mean that unmarried women edged out both younger voters and Hispanic voters as the demographic with the strongest support for President-elect Obama.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2132289/posts

[Nepeta]

There are always going to be people who cannot handle the existence of strong women--and I mean strong in the sense of character, values, convictions, rationality, intelligence, and loyality, not whining liberal "gimme" women who want the world handed to them--but as they curse strong conservative women, they are in effect saying that conservatism belongs only to men, and that women are just along as baggage.

The whole notion of individuals not being allowed to be strong individual conservatives because they are women is so repugnant I have to wonder if this thread is a plant to make conservatism look like it is as backward as libs say.

[Nepeta]

Unmarried women supported Barack Obama by a 70-to-29 percent margin, and they voted for Democratic House candidates by a similar margin — 64-to-29 percent. These margins mean that unmarried women edged out both younger voters and Hispanic voters as the demographic with the strongest support for President-elect Obama.

Since this voting pattern is undesirable, the solution is to what? Bar women from voting?

[donna]

It’s just a fact. No reason to get emotional about it.

Obviously, Feminism is lying to these women. We don’t want to pretend that there is a conservative version of Feminism, that’s for sure.

[rabidralph]

And what, exactly, are conservative men doing to help Sarah take back their country?

[Nepeta]

It’s just a fact. No reason to get emotional about it.

Obviously, Feminism is lying to these women. We don’t want to pretend that there is a conservative version of Feminism, that’s for sure.

I have difficulty accepting being told that I am an inferior underperson after decades of living otherwise and 5 decades of being a conservative. I believe in the individual and in individual liberty--even for individual women.

Damning other people to underpersonhood on the basis of ovaries/no ovaries and melanin is the kind of thing liberals damn conservatives for doing. I have never done it, although I will plainly label an idiot as such if they deserve that label. I've known lots of witless men and lots of witless women of all descriptions.

[donna]

Those voices you hear telling you women are inferior are coming from the base of Feminism:

“The place of the family as a shut-in petty enterprise was to be occupied, according to the plans, by a finished system of social care and accommodation: maternity houses, creches, kindergartens, schools, social dining rooms, social laundries, first-aid stations, hospitals, sanatoria, athletic organizations, moving-picture theaters, etc. The complete absorption of the housekeeping functions of the family by institutions of the socialist society...”
- Leon Trotsky -