Posted on 05/20/2010 8:50:17 PM PDT by sickoflibs
(May 20) -- Rand Paul, the new face of the tea party movement, is in hot water because of his comments about anti-discrimination laws.
The political newcomer knocked off the GOP establishment's candidate, Trey Grayson, in Kentucky's Republican Senate primary on Tuesday and called it a "mandate" for the tea party's drive to limit Washington's power.
During a victory lap of interview programs the next day, Paul was asked about his belief that the Americans With Disabilities Act gave government too much authority over private business. NPR's Robert Siegel wanted to know whether Paul felt the same way about the 1964 Civil Rights Act, as his Democratic opponent in the Senate race, Jack Conway, has claimed.
"What I've always said is, I'm opposed to institutional racism," Paul responded, adding that he would have marched with Dr. Martin Luther King if he'd been alive at the time. Although Paul said he supports nearly everything in the Civil Rights Act, he took issue with the part that outlaws discrimination by private businesses except for clubs.
Rachel Maddow pressed Paul on the question during a lengthy interview on her MSNBC program Wednesday night. She tried to get a clear answer on whether he thought the lunch counter at the Woolworth's in Greensboro, N.C. -- a flash point in the struggle for racial integration -- should have been allowed to remain segregated.
Paul said he didn't believe "any private property should discriminate" and insisted he would never patronize such a place. But he asked Maddow, "Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant or does the government own his restaurant?"
Paul accused Maddow of bringing up "something that really is not an issue ... sort of a red herring." But he faced the same question a month ago in an interview with the Louisville Courier-Journal's editorial board. (Click here to watch the video. Skip ahead to the one-hour mark.)
"Under your philosophy it would be OK for Dr. King to not be served at the counter at Woolworth's?" Paul was asked. He replied that he would have boycotted the store and denounced it, but added, "This is the hard part about believing in freedom."
He continued, "In a free society we will tolerate boorish people who have abhorrent behavior. But if we're civilized people, we publicly criticize that and don't belong to those groups or associate with those people."
A week later, the newspaper published an editorial saying Paul has "an unacceptable view of civil rights, saying that while the federal government can enforce integration of government jobs and facilities, private business people should be able to decide whether they want to serve black people, or gays, or any other minority group."
Because Paul has consistently expressed his personal opposition to discrimination, "there's really no wound inflicted here," argued Hot Air's Allapundit.
"His reservations about the law have to do not with the ends but with the means of federal compulsion; he wants business owners to serve everyone but clearly prefers using boycotts and local laws to pressure them. It's not a question of being pro- or anti-discrimination, in other words; it's a question of how federalism and civil rights enforcement mesh," the blogger wrote.
Trying to turn a question about racism into a philosophical discussion about federal power "may work well in the classroom, but it's a tricky position to take as a political candidate on national television," noted Susan Davis on the Wall Street Journal's Washington Wire blog.
"Rand Paul should have been better prepared to answer this question. This isn't the first time he has encountered it," said Clifton B, who blogs at Another Black Conservative. He said Paul is caught in a "Catch-22."
"If Paul says he fully supports how the feds forced the private sector to end segregation he loses libertarian street cred, but by only supporting the results of the Civil Rights Act and not the actual legislation, Paul gives the left room to paint him as a racist," Clifton B wrote.
The Atlantic's Ta-Nehisi Coates also criticized Paul for responding to Maddow "with a series of feints and dodges."
"What's most troubling about this interview is not that Paul opposes a portion of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it's that it's clear Paul hasn't thought much about his position," Coates said. "Lacking a rigorous intellectual framework for his opposition, Paul is wobbly on defense."
Similar, if snarkier, criticism came from Gawker's Adrian Chen, who decoded Paul's remarks this way: "But it's simple: Rand Paul hates racism, but wants to allow businesses to be racist. He would definitely support a segregated Applebee's as long as it instantly went bankrupt because no one liked its racist food. He basically loves the idea of the possibility that somewhere in America someone could open up a racist business, but as soon as that business becomes a reality he hates it."
Paul issued a statement this morning that still didn't answer the lunch counter question directly but backed the current law.
"Even though this matter was settled when I was 2, and no serious people are seeking to revisit it except to score cheap political points, I unequivocally state that I will not support any efforts to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964," Paul declared.
Some commentators were irked not just by what Paul did or didn't say, but what he sounded like when he said it.
"What a disappointment. Rand Paul is just another politician who won't give a straight answer to a simple question," lamented Kansas City Star reader George Harris.
Even Paul's tea party supporters "won't enjoy watching him look like a slippery politician as he fails, over and over, to answer Maddow's questions directly," added Salon's Joan Walsh.
"He turned into a politician before our very eyes. This champion of the truth-telling Tea Partiers waffled and dodged like the most seasoned of pols," Michael Sean Winters charged in America magazine. He said there's no reason to doubt Paul is against discrimination, but that's not the question.
"The question is about the role of government in society and whether or not the federal government was right to insist that it be against the law to discriminate on the basis of race in private businesses that serve the public," Winters argued.
"He would not answer. His career as a non-politician politician lasted less than 24 hours."
As another freeper asked in another thread....Do the Congressional Black Caucus or Black Panthers discriminate....research, libs, and get back to us.
How come we forgive Obama’s youthful obvious Marxism, but hold Republicans to different “youthful dumb ideas” standards?
Made worse by the fact that Obama is STILL a Marxist, while Rand Paul is clearly not a racist by any measure.
That’s a ballsy libertarian in my opinion.
Barry Goldwater got run over by the dominant media in the 1964 presidential election for having the same attitude.
It takes courage to say what Rand Paul said.
All the more reason to support him.
IDIOT went on a show on MS-LSD.. which proves to me, he is just as much a KOOK as his OLD MAN.
Paul is right. There is no “train wreck”, just a clear statement defending the rights of property owners from the government.
I’m curious to see how long the rats milk this. I think the idea of using Byrd as part of the response is brilliant. I also hope Paul has learned from this. His campaign better be getting something on his opponent, because odds are he’ll use this right before the election to go after Rand. Better safe than sorry.
The smears are not gonna work much longer and no matter how much pandering is done, the black vote will continue to go 90-95 percent to the Dems.
Conway can't beat Paul in 2010 so he's trying to beat him in 1964. Won't work.
He should campaign in Kentucky and not concern himself with appearances on national news shows.
Mister that is PURE TRUTH!
Media smear.
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Is there something wrong with my brain? I don’t see anything wrong with Rand Paul when he asks “who owns the restaurant, the owner or the government”? He said he himself wouldn’t patronize a racist restaurant, but that the gov’t can’t compel it against its freedom of association.
Besides, as another poster pointed out, if you can have the Black and Latino Caucuses discriminate against whiteys, then why is it wrong for (presumably) whitey owned private businesses to reciprocate?
And black Miss America.
Well, in this case, it wasn’t something Rand said many years ago. But I support Rand 100%.
It’s tricky, this Civil Rights Act thing. One of the problems I find with it is that back in the 1960s, there was a lot of racism by whites against blacks. The fed gov said, basically, “look at that, blacks and whites are segregated, we must pass a law”. And they did that, and most people and all politicians are happy that there aren’t segregated lunch counters any more, or separate water fountains.
There’s the philosophical point about private businesses.
But there’s also the separate point about who is covered by the Civil Rights Act. Most people would agree that blacks were getting screwed over back in the day. Most people would put indians in the screwed over category.
But the Civil Rights Act covered every single group, and as new groups have new desires for new “rights”, there are new limitations on businesses.
Now it’s transgendered. A dude in a dress in a Denny’s in Maine couldn’t remember that he was a dude and wanted to use the women’s bathroom. Denny’s told him to use the men’s bathroom. He took the case to the Maine human rights commission (or whatever it’s called). The tranny won and Denny’s lost and now men can use the women’s bathroom. All this craziness is based on the Civil Rights Act.
Blacks and indians were severely harmed by discrimination, but not every group was severely harmed by discrimination. Only when there is clear and convincing evidence of severe discrimination, severe harm to a class, should the government be interference with the private property rights of a business.
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