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To: Aetius; woofie; rabscuttle385; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup
RE :”As far as Cheney goes; I’ve never heard him clearly address the issue of the Courts and who should decide the issue. He has said that gay couples should have the same rights as everyone else, but has also said that it should be left to the states. So who knows how he would feel about a Roe-like decision on gay marriage?

Look, I am for states deciding marriage laws, and specifically states deciding AGAINST same-sex marriage and I am even against civil unions that give the benefits of marriage to gays or unmarried hetro couples. I feel the same way on abortion, but AFTER Roe is overturned which it should be.

But please don't try to give the impression Cheney is neutral. He is for same-sex marriage AND open homosexuality in the military (a complete disaster.) There is no question about this, whatever his reasons. And Laura has similar views.

602 posted on 05/13/2010 7:45:51 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

I also oppose civil unions. To me it makes no sense to oppose gay marriage yet support civil unions. That is a position that seeks to preserve the word ‘marriage’ and nothing else. Not that the word has no meaning, of course it does because the Left wants it so bad. They already had gay marriage in all but name in California, but they want the word ‘marriage’ because it would represent a total triumph on their part.

I didn’t mean to suggest that Cheney is neutral. I’m sure he’d stab conservatives in the back on this issue given the chance. My point was about how the line of questioning on this issue is too limited. One should not be allowed to simply say that they oppose or support gay marriage/civil unions; they should be asked who they think should decide the issue, the people or the judges. If they support gay marriage, they should be asked if they think it is a Constitutional right that should be imposed on an unwilling nation.

But we never get answers to questions like that because the questions are never asked. Even Republicans seldom bring this up.


608 posted on 05/13/2010 8:16:24 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: sickoflibs
But please don't try to give the impression Cheney is neutral. He is for same-sex marriage AND open homosexuality in the military (a complete disaster.) There is no question about this, whatever his reasons. And Laura has similar views.

To put this bluntly, when a parent discovers that their child is a homosexual, there is nothing to celebrate, nothing to rejoice in. There is nothing but deep and vast disappointment because not only does it mean that their child has chosen to defy the laws of God and nature, it means that somewhere along the line, the parent failed in presenting to their child in a comprehensive and effective manner, the fact that our species exists and perpetuates itself by heterosexual behavior not by any other 'lifestyle choice', and that homosexuality is NOT something which is no different than being left handed or right handed, it is exactly what Almighty God called it, it is an abomination.

Having said all that, a parent will love (or should love) their child no matter what, and I believe that former Vice President Cheney loves his daughter no matter what. Is he happy with her choices? You can be assured that he most likely is NOT. Will he criticize or denounce his daughter in public? No, because he places his love for his daughter above any and every public and social policy there is, and that is to be expected. I understand it.

Does such a development (having a homosexual child) affect one's views, judgments and perspective?

It certainly does, it forces the parent to live that old standard every day for the rest of their lives in regards to their child, which is "hate the sin, but love the sinner", and that is a heart wrenching thing to have to do.

Dick Cheney remains one of our finest Vice Presidents, his own personal family trials and tribulations notwithstanding.
626 posted on 05/13/2010 10:17:33 PM PDT by mkjessup
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