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To: Kaslin
Perhaps I'm experiencing an abnormal spasm of quixotic delirium, but I can't imagine that most Americans would find a policy that offers both true security and robust immigration very controversial.

I'd call that clear-eyed sanity, not a quixotic delirium.
2 posted on 04/30/2010 8:57:52 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Oceander

But that’s an ambiguous fluff statement. His real position is stated above:

“...expansive guest-worker programs, offers amnesty (though not citizenship) to some immigrants already here...”

Completely unacceptable “plantation” mentality. The only immigration I want is for people who have gone through the entire process — criminal background check, health check, $50,000 employer sponsorship bond and guaranteed employment waiting for them. I have no interest in a revolving door for second-class persons employed as “guest workers” and I want every single person who is here illegally to self-deport. If they have to be deported by law enforcement they should be ineligible to ever apply to come back. They have a known criminal background, after all, including fraud and tax evasion.


7 posted on 04/30/2010 10:14:20 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Oceander

I think most immigration for the last 20 years has been negative for the citizens. Bloombergs comments about the USA nneding to import more doctors says it perfectly. In a nation of 300 million, which virtually invented modern medicine we are now creating a system where we can’t eduate our own doctors.

As a long time employee in the high tech industry the infiltration of H1-B Visa holders has been devistating. Just as American manufacturers can’t compete with people in countries that have no safety laws, environmental laws, affirmative action laws, government retirement funds, government mandated insurance funds, government mandated disability funds, OSHA regulations, and all the rest, so too is is difficult to compete with people who are coming over just to work on a three year contract, living six to a house, and being paid a lump sum upon return to India, thus avoiding (”contractor”) many of the costs listed above.

We can’t train enough engineers, according to Hewlett-Packard, Sun Mirosystems, Oracle and their ilk, to staff our own high-tech. Despite the fact that Americans invented nearly all the technology in the industry, and managed to be 99% of the engineering staff at these companies until the early 1990s, today a trip to the labs at any of them will find a majority of non-native employees.

It does become a vicious cycle. Would you advise your child to be software developer and face a lifetime of outsourcing, right-sizing, off-shoring and contractor competitors? I think not.

To me it is just another scam by short sighted executives to patch up the bottom line. HP’s conversion to foreign contractors was simultaneous with its decline from a manufacturer of bullet-proof and unique products to just another company doing big acquisitions and pumping out mediocre products.

Still the leader responsible made a small fortune, put herself on television and is now running for Gov. of California? What is her plan for the state, I wonder? Outsource the citizens?

I do not favor citizen replacement. I don’t favor endless diversity. One of our strengths until recently was some degree of homogenity. We had melted, and everywhere you went people spoke English, followed baseball and believed in core American values.

When did we vote to replace ourselves? When did we vote to turn our country over to the whole wide world? When did we decide to be serfs instead of citizens? I don’t remember voting for any of it. I don’t remember any candidate promoting these policies, this deluge of humanity.

“Under my exciting new program the population of the USA will be drastically increased with people from all over the world. You will soon be surrounded by people who don’t speak our language, don’t particularly like our culture and in many cases think Whites are either evil or stupid. This is a great opportunity for you! It will however require you to tolerate real estate prices growing twice as fast as inflation, wide spread urban sprawl, yeilding political power to leftist groups who the new citizens are more comfortable with, and seeing your symbols, heros and monuments coverted to honor new histories and gods.”

“Vote for me!”.

Any wonder that a lot of people are pissed?


14 posted on 05/01/2010 4:40:00 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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