Posted on 04/27/2010 11:18:54 PM PDT by STARWISE
Neither Obama or anyone else forced LCOL Lakin to take the actions he's taken. As to why he won't show his birth certificate, you would have to ask him. I can't answer for him because I don't know.
So are the other charges. The accused is still allowed to craft a defense.
What the judge will allow in terms of calling witnesses, subpoenaing documents etc.. Well that's up to the judge.
I doubt you know who that is, let alone what he might think of the issues. Since he/she likely hasn't been tasked yet, no one knows. We don't even know for certain there will be a trial. We are several steps away from that yet.
While the birth certificate issue may be a motivating factor for Lakin, it has nothing to do with the case against him. Lakin can claim that Obama made him disobey orders by not showing his birth certificate, but the court ain't gonna buy it.
Further, Lakin based his behavior on speculation that Obama is not an NBC, not fact. (What would Judge Judy say about that?)
Obama needs to show his ticket or leave the theater. No one is forcing him to stay.
The majority owners (that's the voters) in the theater gave Obama a ticket. The usher (that's Congress) examined the ticket, found it valid, and let him in the theater.
Millions of American citizens have asked to see his documents, and its a reasonable request. He chooses to ignore this request because he is not qualified and he has no respect for We the people, our military or our constitution.
That, to me, says that he doesn't give a crap about anything but himself and that he is the most disgusting and poor excuse for a president that this country has ever seen.
You're forgetting Chester Arthur.
They saw a man holding the race card and waved him along.
We the people never saw his ticket, proof of NBC, because we relied on the Usher, that being the press and courts, to do their job.
Now we have Mr. Lakin , a fellow patron, who saw that Obama came in through the exit door, smoking, and is now urinating on the seats (our constitution) and he has alerted the Usher.
The Usher is now going to validate Mr. Lakins claims. But it may take a year or two because the maintenance crew is busy cordoning off the urine soaked seats and the Usher needs to make sure that gets done as well as look for Mr. Obamas ticket. Any questions Mom?
And thats why he burnd all his documents after the fact.
What I find interesting is that according to the court martial manual, a court martial can be brought forward by officers at all levels in the chain of command,
§ 822. Art. 22. Who may convene general courtsmartial
(a) General courts-martial may be convened by—
(1) the President of the United States;
(2) the Secretary of Defense;
(3) the commanding officer of a unified or specified combatant
command;
(4) the Secretary concerned;
(5) the commanding officer of an Army Group, an Army, an
Army Corps, a division, a separate brigade, or a corresponding
unit of the Army or Marine Corps;
(6) the commander in chief of a fleet; the commanding officer
of a naval station or larger shore activity of the Navy beyond the
United States;
(7) the commanding officer of an air command, an air force,
an air division, or a separate wing of the Air Force or Marine
Corps;
(8) any other commanding officer designated by the Secretary
concerned; or
(9) any other commanding officer in any of the armed forces
when empowered by the President.
(b) If any such commanding officer is an accuser, the court shall
be convened by superior competent authority, and may in any
case be convened by such authority if considered desirable by him.
The president is at the top of that list, which to me, shows that any service member is ultimately subject to a legal President, who should not be immune from a challenge over his authority. The manual also includes a full reproduction of the Constitution of the United States. If Lakin is to uphold his oath, then he has a right and responsibility to take action to resolve the reasonable doubts about his putative CinC’s legitimacy.
In theory every chain of command ends with the president. In practicality, if one of the sailors in my division or department refused to obey an order then it would be my order he was disobeying and not President Reagan or Carter. And if a court martial had been convened then the convening authority would have been the local commander and not the president. The same is true for Lakin.
If Lakin is to uphold his oath, then he has a right and responsibility to take action to resolve the reasonable doubts about his putative CinC’s legitimacy.
I doubt the court martial will agree.
I hope they do, because Obama is doing serious damage to our country and he is not a NBC as defined by the founders.
The NBC clause is in place so that Mr. Lakin does not have to report to a Kenyan born citizen. In the end, Mr. Lakin will be vindicated, count on it. The truth is what it is, and Mr. Obama hiding it will not change it.
Mr. Obama needs to step, be a man, and resign. As his wife said, his home country is Kenya.
Its over Seq, the truth spilled out over her lips, and she cant take it back. He needs to step up and be man, stop running and hiding behind lawyers. Its time to step up and come clean. He's now doing damage to the country by trying to hide his documents. This is growing and getting worse.
Hope doesn't enter in to it. I don't expect the court to agree because the charges are crafted such that Obama is not an issue. Trials are not fishing expeditions. The defense will be granted information necessary for their defense. They'll need to convince the judge that Obama's birth certificate is necessary and I just don't see the court agreeing.
The NBC clause is in place so that Mr. Lakin does not have to report to a Kenyan born citizen.
He isn't, not directly. He reports to his brigade commander, and it is that officer's orders he's charged with disobeying.
An officer of the armed forces is citing a violation of the constitution. When his lawyer opens his arguments, its no longer about a BC or disobeying an order to clean a latrine. Its about a Kenyan Citizen commanding the United States armed forces in clear violation of the constitution.
A blatant miscarriage of justice is going to do even more damage to Obamas claims of legitimacy.
The crux of the issue is that LCOL Lakin refused to deploy with his unit and refused to obey the lawful order of his superior officer. Obama could be unmasked tomorrow and found to be a total fraud, and that would not change the charges against Lakin in the slightest. He would still be guilty of missing movement and still be guilty of disobeying a lawful order.
If you want to equate mass murder with the U.S. Army in Afghanistan then you're free to do so. I don't think the comparison is appropriate.
Just Following orders is a logical process most famously employed at Auschwiz. The lowly soldier there was up against a power no less potent than the US Commander in chief. Numerous pshycological tests have shown that people will violate their own values when given what they perceive to be a command from an authoritative figure.
The lowly Guard at Auschwitz never spoke up because Supreme command was a Man. Mr. Lakins supreme command is document, a contract with me and you and him. Not a Man. Not Mr. Obama. Not a Kenyan citizen immigrant. A contract that is being violated.
You are right. Mr. Lakin has chosen to disobey orders so that he can respect his conscience, our constitution, you, me, and our country. He is guilty as charged. He may go to jail. But this will only bring more attention to the fact that Obama is not an NBC. And that will only vindicate Mr. Lakin in the long run.
The authority at the top of the chain of command in a deployment isn't just a matter of theory. In this case, there's a specific mission being executed under the authority of the CinC. We're not talking about routine, day-to-day procedures or training exercises or military minutia. Lakin isn't questioning the authority of those who are immediately above him and convening the court martial, but the "One" who is above them and has set the strategic objectives they are working to fulfill. Does the president have immediate authority over the execution of a military objective in Afghanistan (where Lakin was ultimately to be deployed). That answer is yes.
I doubt the court martial will agree.
Probably not. It seems that such bodies tend to avoid the big picture, but they do so in this case at the expense of our military's and nation's integrity.
Also, They may convict Mr. Lakin but they then open themselves up to critical review in the future if Obama is forced to reveal that he represented himself as a Kenyan when he was an adult in another case.
These men can deny his right to discovery and then convict Mr. Lakin, but they deny discovery at their own peril.
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