Posted on 04/25/2010 3:28:58 PM PDT by Biggirl
Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon says seniors, kids and out-of-staters should be wary of the Arizona immigration bill signed into law this past week -- warning that it puts them at risk of being arrested.
The law makes illegal immigration a state crime. It gives police the authority to question people about their immigration status and arrest those who cannot show documentation to establish their legal residency.
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First off a suspect has always had the right to refuse to answer questions put to him by police officers during a Terry stop. And the Fifth Amendment privilege had always automatically attached during custodial interrogations by any agent of the state because information extorted by the police during such interrogations is unavoidably testimonial.
Why else would the police demand a person’s name or identification, if not to determine whether that person was either wanted for committing a crime or directly suspected of committing a crime.
We live in a society that prizes the right to privacy, of which anonymity is a facet. If we do not guard our privacy and the option of our anonymity, it WILL be taken away from us. If convenience, terror and illegal immigration convince us that it costs little to discard the right to privacy in our own names, we will have lost something. Furthermore, its true value may not yet be apparent.
This is nothing more than a slippery slope.
Why stop here, since the logic is that nearly all hispanic or hispanic appearing people are most likely illegal.
Lets go further, since the FBI UCR Data tells us that Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to commit crimes than any other race, why not allow the cops to stop any black he or she finds in an areas they deem "a high crime area".
Whats next, our very own Night and Fog Decree?
Its stuff like this that makes me sick to my stomach to call myself a conservative, knowing that I'm being associated with people who think this way. All because they don;t like the color of a persons skin.
There is no “Libertarian reservation” concerning border sovereignty. People going under the Libertarian banner differ about this issue.
it is gonna cost this state a lot of $ it doesn’t have
None of this addresses what I said. Either Arizona will never dare to push the law past the symbolic point, or else they will invite intolerable outcry and/or being overruled in Federal court.
Yes, disingenuous to say the least.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8216222
Funny how you have so many fans over at DU. I see your posts over there from time to time.....
Did I miss something here? Isn’t an illegal a criminal? Duh! to the Mayor of Phoenix. If we are to save ourselves we had better vote this people out of office.
Unprecedented? Hardly.
People are stopped regularly for speeding with out-of-state drivers licenses in every state in the country. I’ve never heard of one being arrested for being from the wrong state.
You will be surprised to learn, no Congress has never declared the act of coming uninvited into America to be a crime. The status is like that of a parking ticket.
Not sure about your experience with travel in and around Arizona.
But the only times this poster has had to stop at checkpoints entering any state in the United States.
Has been liberal California. Been that way for as long as I can remember.
Arizona is not likely to set up border checkpoints. That would be inviting lawsuits and fed action. They’re going to be 100% by the book on this.
They’re simply going to do something about illegals they encounter in everyday interactions.
Anything else would be a logistical nightmare and an invitation to have the law thrown out.
You cannot. Cannot. Deport a half million illegals. (that’s just in Arizona). It’s impossible.
Some need to dial back on the aluminum foil here a bit, imho.
This is the first big deal in the looming states rights showdown.
Arizona stepped up to the plate.
That stand should be supported.
The fact that you accept that level of law enforcement interference at all is a shame. As a friend of mine used to say: “Distinguishing America from the third-world is easy. In the former, citizens walk freely, without interference from soldiers; in the latter, soldiers patrol freely, without interference from citizens.” We’ve come a long way baby.
No law ever obtained like Arizona’s, because none ever existed. So you continue to do nothing but strawman.
Your argument may sound good to you, but it's BS down at the courthouse.
You should go try and see your favorite judge to fix a ticket sometime. They got these big burly guys in uniforms manning the metal detectors and you'd better have a valid ID!
BTW, when you file a Change of Address Order with the Postal Service, you best be able to back it up with a valid ID if querried. Else, you might find yourself being prosecuted for attempting to divert someone else's mail to your custody improperly. It's a felony with a LONG LONG LONG jail term.
So much for claiming privacy rights supremacy.
See ya' in Petersburg ~ there's a Postal Wing down there ~ you'll have lots of knowledgeable custody ~ maybe even talk to a letter carrier or two who knows other schemes.
what about a tourist from another country? the only ID they’ll have would be from that country? wouldn’t they then be in AZ illegally?
“Either Arizona will never dare to push the law past the symbolic point, or else they will invite intolerable outcry and/or being overruled in Federal court.”
Do you think it’s possible that this law is just “window dressing” and isn’t meant to be actively enforced.
FWIW I think it will be overruled by the Fed. It’s going to appear too much like racial profiling.
That doesn’t necessarily mean border checkpoints. Sometimes people could pass into Canada at unmanned points of entry. They would still need to account for their nationality once there.
Is that you Dane?
A DUmmy quotes FR so what does that prove?
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