Birthers and Perkins V Elg

US Supreme Court Records ^ | 24 April 2010 | Self

[Mr Rogers]

A quick search reveals that at least in 1903, all passport applicants took an oath of allegiance:

http://books.google.com/books?id=r3I3AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=passport+oath+of+allegiance+1900s&source=bl&ots=O05bQCfBKv&sig=PIY1zhkPOEWJQsGPaKgd7302zSU&hl=en&ei=p2zXS5iHBJHwsQOzqOGrBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

You are welcome.

[Red Steel]

Did you apply in 1939?

Even if it did, it does not make Kawakita a natural born citizen. Here was a guy with split allegiances and having two citizenships. Was he a natural born citizen as it pertains to natural born citizen clause? Noway. Kawakita was the very essence to why the Constitutional natural born citizen clause exists. Kawakita committed treason because he had split allegiances.

Well, another logical inference is that the traitor wasn’t running for President.

Yes, and if he did and won, he could not constitutionally hold presidential office, but the constitutional safeguard is not infallible check on the treasonous. Alas, Obama being the prime example.

In other cases, native born and natural born are used interchangeably, and that seems to be the current consensus of legal authority.

I don't know how many times it has been explained to you as you still always get it wrong.

[Red Steel]

You are welcome.

I rebutted it in the post above.

[Mr Rogers]

Allegiance as would be normal is the standard, not allegiance by itself. Bill Ayers is a natural born citizen by anyone’s standard, and a traitor. Ditto JFKerry. The Rev Jeremiah Wright is an America-hating natural born citizen.

By any normal standard, Barry OUGHT to be a patriot. Born in the USA with an American mother. His foreign father not only abandoned them, but never seems to have lived with his mother, and was a bigamist at the time (if he did live with her).

Barry is half-black, but raised by whites...but unfortunately, the entire Dunham clan seems to have been wacked out weirdo freaks.

But legally, the more I read, the more I am convinced this is settled law - a person born in the USA is native born and natural born in the eyes of the law.

[Mr Rogers]

You suggested an oath of allegiance was given to dual citizens, not natural born citizens. That was false.

And you did NOT refute that false suggestion.

[Red Steel]

And you did NOT refute that false suggestion.

The rebutted part is if that was so that everyone did, it still would not make Kawakita an NBC as I stated above.

[Red Steel]

Allegiance as would be normal is the standard, not allegiance by itself. Bill Ayers is a natural born citizen by anyone’s standard, and a traitor. Ditto JFKerry. The Rev Jeremiah Wright is an America-hating natural born citizen.

Natural born citizen allegiances are total to one country and not split up between countries. The subject is not about Ayers or other malcontents who may be NBC. As I have pointed out, that the NBC clause is a safeguard which is not infallible against foreign influences, but it is a Constitutional safeguard that would be effective if the citizens of this nation employ it as intended. Treasonous domestic people like Kerry or Ayers is another subject.

[little jeremiah]

None so blind as he who does not wish to see.

[Red Steel]

Completely.

[Candor7]

No seriously. You are advocating on behalf of a national socialist occupant of the white house, Now you do not seem to be that dis-intelligent. You make cogent ,reasoned arguments which are skewed simply because they ignore the salient facts. You can fact shop on this all you want but the fact is we have vile person In the White House who actively obscures his history. Now you either do not understand the threat that Obama and his Junta pose for our nation and its heritage , ulikely , you're not that stupid, or you are simply on the other side of the politics on the issue from what one would expect on Free Republic.

Think you can play tautological games here and wow the kids? I think you are an effing traitor just like Obama is, an obfuscator and a manipulator and I call you on it.

Thats not attacking your character,everyone here can see that, rather thats attacking your politics, which do not belong here.You sound like a leftist and act like one. That means you are one.

So pish off, go over to DU and sell your schtick there.

Little poseur leftists like you are a dime a dozen.

[Mr Rogers]

“Now you either do not understand the threat that Obama and his Junta pose for our nation and its heritage , ulikely , you’re not that stupid, or you are simply on the other side of the politics on the issue from what one would expect on Free Republic.”

The courts are not the place to beat Obama. They have no role to play in his removal from office, and Obama is entitles to the same legal protection any other citizen of the USA would receive.

If that bothers you, you are in the wrong country. We are a nation of laws, and the repulsiveness of a Clinton or Obama is not a reason to abandon the law or the Constitution - which gives the courts no role to play in determining who is President.

“I think you are an effing traitor just like Obama is, an obfuscator and a manipulator and I call you on it.”

Another bitter birther, who cannot win in court or even in elections, calling names to cover his inadequacy. I can’t speak for ODH, but I lost my Dad to Vietnam, spent 25 years in the USAF, deployed roughly half the year for 10 years to cover the no-fly in Iraq, did a remote to Korea and was on the ground in Afghanistan as a bifocal wearing 49 year old Lt Col.

I’ve spent too much of my life in tents and separated from my family to have someone on FR thinking he’s a rough, tough patriot because he can read BS websites and ignore the law.

It is the law and freedom that make this country, while the military protects it. If you don’t understand that Obama deserves the same rules in court that you would get, then you do not understand America or freedom.

Your home page indicates a respect for Sarah Palin. You might want to ask why she refuses to say Obama is ineligible for office based on his father’s citizenship...

[Candor7]

Obama is hiding the fact that he is ineligible. Any reasonable person would understand that.

Its not a factual question, it is a political one. And politics will indeed solve the situation.

No president will ever again be elected without verification of birth on US soil as a natural born citizen.

And the current pretender is now in very deep trouble, as are all of his supporters.The true facts on our so called president will come, and its only a matter of time. Meanwhile Obama seeks to do as much damage to America as he can.

This is why I do not believe Obama is entitled to the the protection which “every other American citizen is entitled,” because he is a traitor, and a usurper in his words thoughts deeds and policies , traducing the USA , our allies, and our economy.Watch him now create race riots in Arizona.

Enemies of the state like Obama are not afforded such protection, no more than enemy combatants should be. Anyone who does not realize that Obama and his junta are mot enemies of the state and the constitution are massivedreamers, and live in an alternate reality that bears no resemblance to the current perils facing America.

Look for example at the trillions of dollars of debt America now has. And do you haveany feel for how that willbe met? Let your lips form the silent mouthing of "seizure of private assets." This is the next round of the quiet desperation that these fascists of the Obama Junta mean to foist upon an otherwise free people , who are only now just beginning to awaken to the perils we face. You can wake up too, or stay asleep until forced to do otherwise. Like many , I am quite beyond caring, for now people must choose freedom or enslavement.The time for talk is drawing to a close.Arizona will be the fist battefield.

[LucyT]

Meanwhile 0bama seeks to do as much damage to America as he can.

"... the current perils facing America.

Look for example at the trillions of dollars of debt America now has.

And do you have any feel for how that will be met?

Let your lips form the silent mouthing of "seizure of private assets."

~"seizure of private assets."

This is the next round of the quiet desperation that these fascists of the 0bama Junta mean to foist upon an otherwise free people, who are only now just beginning to awaken to the perils we face.

[Thanks, Candor7.]

[Canadian Outrage]

It is also the fact that Kenya claims he was born there in that country. Also, the Constitution says that they must be born in the United States to two US citizen parents (obviously paraphrased). In any event, if Obamaggedon didn’t have so much to hide he would have taken care of this long ago. Even before the election which he of course won by Acorn fraud. The man seems to thrive on fraud doesn’t he? CO

[Canadian Outrage]

Sir if you were so concerned about the law, then you would be very concerned about the fact that Obama is the most lawless human being to ever disgrace the White House. He has simply cheated his way through life and continues to do so. He’s a very evil and wicked man who hates America and has pure disdain for her people. That very much should concern you. CO

[Mr Rogers]

I am strongly opposed to Obama. My point is that he will be beaten (or not) at the ballot box. The money wasted on court cases needs to go to candidates.

The court is not the right venue for everything. If someone can show Obama was born in Kenya, THEN a case can be made...but even then, it would go through Congress. The courts do not have, nor do we want them to have, the power to remove Presidents.

I got involved in these threads because of the Lakin case. Being ex-military, I found it incredible that anyone thinks a military court martial would consider investigating and judging the eligibility of Obama to run for President - yet Lakin will ruin his career with ZERO impact.

59 Democrat senators concerns me far more than Obama’s father being a British citizen.

[Canadian Outrage]

Well given that there are three branches of government, when the other two fail, then the third, the Court is supposed to carry out the check and balance. That’s my understanding. And also, if you think Obama is going to allow himself to be removed of even diminished at the ballot box, you are naive. No Tyrant is ever removed peacefully or by votes. They take care of that pesky little process and he is doing that now. Obama is a lawless, wicked and evil man. He has craftily declared himself King of the United States forever. You’ll see. CO

[Mr Rogers]

“Well given that there are three branches of government, when the other two fail, then the third, the Court is supposed to carry out the check and balance.”

You understand wrong. Congress is given the power to remove Presidents. The Court is not. We go by the Constitution, not feelings.

[danamco]

Another bitter birther, who cannot win in court or even in elections, calling names to cover his inadequacy.

Calling names, did I read that correctly, or is it a misstatement huh???

[Candor7]

You may pretend that your politics are conservative. They are not.You would chose faux details over liberty. Obama’s non qualification is a usurpation of the Constitution, a vile attempt to create our nation as a country ruled not by laws but by political correctness. Those are the wages of tyranny.

That is not “calling names.” That my patriot challenged friend is dedication to the constitution and the freedoms it preserves.You care little about that., SO what are you even doing here?Trying to spin and cork the truth? Too late.

This is now an election issue.