Posted on 04/20/2010 10:49:00 AM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
I love my country of America....that is why I am adamently opposed to any thing that 0bozo says or does. I want him to fail so miserably at everything that he will literally be driven from office and hopefully straight into prison for fraud, high crimes & treason against the U.S. He has not done a single uplifting or positive thing yet for America.
Because America won't allow it to happen, whether for political opponents or Jews, the former far more likely.
If you're not happy with President Obama let me suggest that hyperbole doesn't win people to our side, and demeaning Jews or any Obama (in this case McCain) voter won't win votes. Convince all those 52% that voted for Obama that those of us on the right hate them, and the media is working on that, guess what. Four more years. Something for you to think about.
His claim that "the election of a black man as President of the United States would be one of the most positive and remarkable events to take place during my lifetime" indicates that he is too hung up on skin color. Would he have said the same if a black man of Louis Farrakhan's or Rev. Wright's overtly antisemitic world view were elected? "Remarkable" might be an acceptable adjective but "positive" is ridiculous in view of the negatives that the Rabbi discerned in Obama before the election.
And what about his description of himself as a "Jackson Democrat"? The Rabbi should know that such a political species is now completely extinct in Washington, so his interest in Israel would be better served by converting to the GOP and leaving the 'Rats behind entirely.
“A Rabbi who voted for McCain (and publicly supported GWB) not only provides those Freepers so inclined to wax on the stupidity of Jews, but also to haul out the disloyalty canard, as us “conservatives” all know a Jew voting for McCain (or GWB) did it only for Israel’s benefit, America be damned.”
Unfortunately, this “rabbi” did exactly that. See. We can’t have a double standard here. He flat out stated that if it had not been for abu’s stance on Israel, he would have voted for him. Unlike that other POS, Leyden, who did vote for him and was sorry afterward....unlike Koch who voted for him and was “sorry” afterward...he made the right choice for all the wrong reasons.
You can’t defend the indefensible. It just is not worth it. You should be angry at this guy...and the other guy...for cheapening Judaism. Because that is exactly what they have done.
Having seen the article (and read as much as I could stomach), I sent a response bringing up the very point which rcrngroup did, however salty and questionable his language (and attitude, for that matter). I stated that I did not understand 1)how any Orthodox rabbi (which is what he claims to be) could disagree with Obama on only foreign policy when his domestic positions are contrary to Universal Noachide Law (binding on all non-Jews), and 2)why ever "mainstream" liberal Democrat in existence seems to have bought into radical moral positions that even liberals used to reject and yet still act as the liberal ideology were unchanged since the days of Adlai Stevenson.
If this is "Modern Orthodoxy," then it's a mighty pitiable movement.
One could only come to such a conclusion if they never read the piece, which obviously you didn't. That makes you both a jerk and a fool and a probably anti-Semite as well.
Way to go.
I did read the article and I am a fervent supporter of the state of Israel. Wohlberg supported 0bama in his socialist policies except for his policy on Israel.
Brother, you and I must have read different articles, because Rabbi Wohlberg said he voted against Obama and he doesn't support what Obama is doing in the Mid-East.
Yes the Rabbi is a liberal, and he wanted to hope that Obama was who he said he was, but the Rabbi also stated that it is clear that Obama was the product of Jeremiah Wright and if he was not, he could have and should have left the congregation long ago.
That is the article I read, what are you smoking?
You said....
Rabbi Wohlberg said he voted against Obama and he doesn't support what Obama is doing in the Mid-East.
Didn't we basically say the same thing?
I apologize for my earlier strident & harsh language. That was uncalled for on my part and I am sorry.
Just speaking objectively, as a non-Orthodox Jew, that is surely not the case. Some are, some aren't. Many, laike Rabbi Wohlberg, have trouble breaking their addiction to the 'Rats, and might instead fancy themselves as "Jackson Democrats," when in fact that species is extinct in national politics.
Can't see how any Orthodox rabbi can support ObamaCare. It is calculated to enable government bureaucrats to determine who shall live and who shall die, decrease availability to medical services, reduce the quality of physicians produced, and hamper - if not stall - the progress of medical science. This is inconsistent with the fundamental Jewish value of doing all possible to maintain life for as long as possible in as healthy a state as possible!!!
“Would he have said the same if a black man of Louis Farrakhan’s or Rev. Wright’s overtly antisemitic world view were elected?”
A black man of Louis Farrakhan’s or Rev. Wright’s overtly antisemitic world view WAS elected.
“The Rabbi should know that such a political species is now completely extinct in Washington, so his interest in Israel would be better served”
The Rabbi’s interest should be in America first, not Israel. I am a Jew. I care about the survival and prosperity of Israel very much. But that’s MY responsibility, not an obligation for the rest of my fellow Americans. We should focus on what’s best for America and let the Israelis focus on what’s best for them. When the interests overlap, so much the better. But let’s not forget where we live and our obligation to this country which should come before all others.
Israelbeach isn't a POS, nor is he on the thread. I'm not angry with either of them.
This will shock you, but I want to see Obama voters see the light. I want them to vote for the Republican candidate. Unlike a handful of posters on this site, I'd even let the stupid, Christian hating Jews share my political viewpoints. The animosity expressed on many FR threads is a guaranteed, dead bang political loser. While I know you're not Obama supporters, he couldn't ask for better enemies. Four more years, then eight for Michelle.
Zionist Conspirator : If this is "Modern Orthodoxy," then it's a mighty pitiable movement.
ZC get's a pass from me, because he consistantly posts from a religious perspective. But I'll take the opportunity to note that amongst the practices of FR designed to chase off potential Republican voters, religious mischaracterizations rank high. Who the h*ll are most of the posters here to pontificate on who's a Jew, who isn't, and who's "self-hating", a foolish term. And based on what, who they may have voted for. Pure arrogance.
That can't be, they don't elect liberals in places like New York or New Jersey, do they? I'm not going to waste my time finding it, but I posted some stats a few years ago based on urban congressional districts. Either the entire population of cities like Chicago is Jewish, or the handful of Jews that live there vote just like their neighbors. Share the same urban centered opinions on things like gun control too.
You need to keep in mind that this guy is not a typical Rabbi. Although he calls himself orthodox, his congregation is not. They only call themselves that because when they started 70 years ago they were basically traditional. They moved into the suburbs about 40 years ago and became radically different from any congregation that an orthodox Jew would typically attend. I don’t know any real orthodox Jew that supports a thing that this guy does. I go to a small place with about 100 members. There is not a single guy who openly admits that he is a rat.
Liberal Jews, and I say Liberal Jews because other Jews already realize the truth, better open their eyes and see that a second Holocaust is in the planning stages. The AuschwitzCare is exactly that, death decreed by Big Brother, who will decide if and when you get medical care; hence, live or die. I see no difference between this Kapo-filled Administration and their cohorts, the ghouls in this power-hungry corrupt Congress, than what we saw in Germany in the 1930’s.
You know I really appreciate your work here, but on this one you are off base. You can listen to what people have to say and appreciate where they agree with you and where they disagree or you just miss all opportunity to communicate with those who are not in lock step with your own personal beliefs, and no matter who you are that is a very small group.
No, I don't agree with this Rabbi on many things politically, but he is 10 steps ahead of my own congregational Rabbi who made me put my hands in my palms singing the praises of Obama's election. It was the worst day of my life listing to that sermon. I almost left the congregation. The man is clueless on this level, but spiritually he is one of the most gifted Rabbi's I know.
You just have to understand that you move a mountain one bolder at a time. So trashing this Rabbi because of the bits you disagree with when he has already walked 50 steps in our direction is silly.
Obama may be close to the same antisemitic world view as Farrakhan and Wright but he is less overt in expressing it for reasons of political expediency.
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