You Have the Right to Remain Silent (LT Colonel Lakin Read His Rights)

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[DJ MacWoW]

The President is the CiC. He authorizes the use of the military. If he is not legitimately the President, he cannot command them. In the oath, they have to swaear to obey the orders of the CiC. If he is not legitimately the President, they cannot in good faith swear to follow his orders as they also swear to uphold the Constitution.

[DJ MacWoW]

Are you going to tell me that this oath is meaningless?

The first oath was voted on 14 June 1775 as part of the act creating the Continental Army. So is the oath meaningless?

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

[danamco]

Mr. fifth column member:

Just saw this video, where Pastor Manning is including you in spreading disinformation here on F.R. and probably on other internet sites as well!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/ATLAHWorldwide#p/u/8/K9pP3s5eqBk

[verity]

You are a pretentious fraud.

Read the AR as well as the Constitution as it pertains to Presidential succession.

[DJ MacWoW]

When all else fails, resort to personal attacks, right? How sad.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Is this what you are tallking about?

AR 600–20
Army Command Policy
This rapid action revision, dated 30 November 2009—
o Provides policy guidance for the legality of the Family Care Plan (para 5-5).
o Establishes policy on unit memorial ceremonies and services (para 5-14).
o Establishes DA Form 7666 for parental consent.
o Establishes DA Form 7667 for Family care plan preliminary screening.
o Makes additional rapid action revision changes (chaps 2 and 5).

[Las Vegas Ron]

ooops, meant to include this:

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_20.pdf

[conservativegramma]

I found it interesting that this paragraph in Chain of Command from verity's source is found:

2–2. Open door policies - Commanders will establish an open door policy within their commands. Soldiers are responsible to ensure that the commander is made aware of problems that affect discipline, morale, and mission effectiveness; and an open door policy allows members of the command to present facts, concerns, and problems of a personal or professional nature or other issues that the Soldier has been unable to resolve. The timing, conduct, and specific procedures of the open door policy are determined by the commander. He or she is responsible for ensuring that Soldiers are aware of the command’s open door policy.

I remember reading about this from Ltc Lakin - that he went through this policy and was rebuffed and received no satisfaction through the open door policy and was left with no choice but to take the actions he did.

Doubt and concerns about the legitimacy of a CIC needs to be resolved immediately. To NOT resolve these concerns cannot help but lead to discipline problems, morale problems, and a decay of general mission effectiveness. The Joint Chiefs should be ashamed of themselves that they have not sought to resolve this issue THEMSELVES by demanding Obama prove his eligibility. They could do it within the hour. Why this contentious issue continues to fester and grow and continue to be ignored by the 'chain of command' is beyond me. This is dividing the country and this WILL lead to a civil war if its not resolved! Shame on them!!

[verity]

Typical move on your part. Your next step is to cry to the moderator instead of researching the references I cited.

Be responsible and do the research.

[danamco]

Mr. Goebbels:

Nice to know where you spend your time on the internet to get all your misinformation you try to sell us, hello, you just been outed by yourself, ROTLMAO!!!

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[Mr Rogers]

1 - For a troll, I sure have been here a long time.

2 - “the more he uses the courts to dismiss cases without ever hearing the merits”...the problem you have is that your arguments don’t HAVE legal merit, so they get dismissed.

When you go to court and argue he wasn’t born in the US, and offer no proof but ask the courts to find it for you, it gets tossed - as it should.

When Lakin gets to court, he’ll be told that he cannot use the courts as a detective agency, and that Obama isn’t on trial - which is correct - and HE’LL get his butt handed to him.

3 - This country is no where close to a genuine civil war. Nor have our elections been stopped or overcome. Ever heard of Scott Brown? McCain is getting a serious challenge in his primary...the ballot still works. The courts do not - not as a detective agency for folks without evidence.

4 - 50 states, the Electoral College, Congress and the US Supreme Court are content that Obama is eligible. Until you absorb the fact that your legal reasoning is flawed, you will continue to be mad. And no, that doesn’t make you the ‘real patriots’ of this land.

I spent 25+ years in the military, frequently deployed. My last tour in a combat zone was Afghanistan in 2007 at Sharana and Jalalabad. My oldest daughter did a tour in Iraq (Marines), and her husband did 2 (Marines infantry, both at Fallujah). My son has done a tour in Iraq and has volunteered for a second (Army Guard).

I don’t need someone sitting at a computer lecturing me on ‘real patriots’.

[verity]

This has nothing to do with doctrine regarding the chain command. Open door policy, indeed. lol

[parsifal]

FWIW, this appears to be the relevant oaths:

http://www.history.army.mil/faq/oaths.htm

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

parsy

[DJ MacWoW]

- For a troll, I sure have been here a long time.

Signup date is meaningless. People change.

[DJ MacWoW]

Still going with attacks.

[danamco]

On top of that there are 39 different social security numbers involved, huh???

You should also know that if you don’t have a valid entry visa you CANNOT get a social security card with a bona fide number!!!

[Mr Rogers]

It is a shame that you can’t read. I found the info using a search engine, and yes - it had more accurate info than the stuff you are spewing.

I was responding to a post that claimed Obama was automatically adopted when he went to Indonesia because that is how it works when the child is under 5. As the web site I linked to points out, it isn’t automatic, and Obama was 6.

It is sad that birthers are using FR to spread false information. And yet you STILL cannot figure out why you keep losing every time you set foot in a court of law...

[verity]

You need to read all 141 pages as well as the Constitution regarding Presidential succession. If you have not experienced the military, particularly at the command level, AR 600-20 is slow reading.

[Mr Rogers]

Not birthers. Birthers don’t change - they just keep repeating the same false accusations, using the same false legal reasoning, and then keep wondering why they keep losing in court.