Posted on 04/13/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by Man50D
“Are we a banana republic? “
Apparently you want to make us one, where the military decides who is President...and a Lt Col in the military, at that!
If Aunt Sadie ran for President in 50 states, was allowed on the ballot in all 50, won the vote, was certified by Congress - then yes, Aunt Sadie could order him to deploy!
It isn’t the role of the military to decide who can run or be elected. There are officials in all 50 states who are responsible, and the voters, and the Electoral College, and Congress - and they have ALL come down on the side of Obama being eligible.
More like you hope it. You really are full of it. And successful suits have been brought against the military for wrongful dismissal.
He has released a birth certificate.
Sure he has... he gave a .jpg image to the DailyKooks at the DailyKos that was put on the Web. The damn thing is highly likely a forgery.
“They can just rule that until the president proves he is eligible as CiC, his orders can be questioned.”
Obama proved it [past tense] to the satisfaction of everyone with responsibility - all 50 states, the voters, the Electoral College, and Congress.
He doesn’t have to prove it to each and every individual in the military.
You are silly. Lakin is just asking for proof for Obama to prove who the lame stream media says he is. You buy that media tripe don't you?
Prayers Up for LTC Lakin.
If you have PROOF that he forged a birth certificate, provide it. Then Congress could impeach him and remove him from office.
Until then, you are pissing in the wind.
Obama’s eligibility has been ruled on. You don’t like it. So what? You aren’t the King. Neither you nor Lakin can remove Obama by Internet accusations. Proof is needed.
Oh, but wait. You can’t provide proof, but you want Obama removed anyways. Won’t happen.
As long as the color of truth is present, all orders are therefore unchallengeable, if they come from higher authority, right?
Besides, it is not the miliitary deciding this issue, it is the courts. So, if Bush and Cheney told the troops to torture by, say, pounding bamboo shoots under the fingernails of the prisoners, it would be a legal order because they were duly elected?
Now Obama can order anything and it is legal because the election was deemed to be valid?
Wow. We better hope for nothing but saints in the regal chair.
We are a nation of laws, the chief of which is the Constitution. However, we have placed statutory law above constitutional law, but never loading anyone to challenge such a simple concept. In fact, if we do, we will be jailed.
Obama provided proof to the satisfaction of all 50 states, the Republican Party, John McCain, Sarah Palin, the people of the USA, the Electoral College, Congress and the Supreme Court.
At what point do you deal with the fact that he doesn’t have to prove anything to you or Lakin?
Good post!
But it's ok to violate the US Constitution? No one is asking them to. I didn't see anywhere in the US Constitution that says elections trump it. The courts can find the idiot in chief as ineligible. Obama can play Captain Dunsel for a while.
How can our military function if no one can give a lawful order?
Are we a Banana Republic? Yes, if the military now have the power to decide to refuse the Commander in Chief's orders because they doubt his eligibility for office solely on their own authority.
George Washington would be turning in his grave if he knew this country had overturned the Constitution's bedrock principle that the civilian government controls the military, and not vice versa.
And therein lies the key to the Nuremburg defense that birthers like to tout as precedent.
There is no way for our military to know if Obama is in fact ineligible or that any orders issued by him through his appointed officers are illegal.
However, the Nazi soldiers had a moral obligation to humanity to refuse their orders because those orders were clearly crimes against humanity. There is no gray, only black and white, when it comes to following an order to march millions of Jews into gas chambers. There is no comparison between these two situations.
Now, if Obama were to order a nuclear attack on Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, wherever, you might have a case.
“YOU HAVE NO proof of that!”
Ok. Name the member of Congress who believes Obama was born in Kenya. We have folks in Congress who believe Guam may overturn, and who believe GWB planted bombs in the World Trade towers...name ONE who has stated Obama was not born in the USA.
Or, name the court that has found that Obama is ineligible for office. One.
Under what provision of the UCMJ?
If there is no valid commander in chief, then there is no right to issue an order to anyone.
The gravity of the situation does not affect the logic of the situation.
It does speak to the reticence of so many in this country to address the issue by requiring the proof of NBC status, which would be so easy to prove.
My rhetorical question to you: If the original birth ciertificate did get released somehow, and it showed lack of NBC status, would you follow his orders? Would you wait for a court decree stating that he is not a NBC?
If no one has standing, and the courts will not rule, will you follow his orders to war?
Every official with any role in certifying eligibility or the election has already ruled Obama eligible.
Now you want a military court to overturn them, and decide the election was invalid?
THAT is banana republic time!
“If no one has standing”
The folks with standing have ALREADY ruled him eligible. It is done. Over. Get on with beating democrats in the next election. Donate to conservative candidates, not an idiot LTC!
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