You Have the Right to Remain Silent (LT Colonel Lakin Read His Rights)

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[El Gato]

IMO, they need to show him proof that he is wrong before any court marshall. He would ONLY be defying orders if Barry was legit. Does the military have proof of legitimacy and - being 'sworn in' is not proof. Any more than an officer being sworn in that doesn't take an oath. The reason for the existence of our military is to protect us. The military is ignoring their oath and demanding him to ignore his.

It's a Court Martial. Matt Dillion will not be there.

But the rules allow an Affirmative Defense that the order disobeyed was illegal. He must be allowed to present that defense.

He'd better be right in thinking that the order was illegal, or more properly that the ulitimate order giver was not entitled to issue it.

He knows the ramifications of his actions, but he's falling on his sword, so to speak, to advance a higher cause, as HE sees it.

Military courts are not the same as, nor are they run the way as, civilian courts.

[I'll be your Huckleberry]

(It is instructive to view what happened to 1LT Easterling for standing up - Huck)

1LT Easterling is currently assigned to Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 3d Sustainment Command (Expeditionary) in the Support Operations Division.

After this incident and subsequent investigation and action, 1LT Easterling was not involved in any other incidents. As a result, his supervisors recommended him for promotion on his officer evaluation report.

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There is one scenario that no one has yet mentioned - so cowboys often rush in where wise men do not tread....

For some time I have wondered whether this case might be a set-up.

The rank and service record of this officer suggest a higher level challenge to the question.

The armed forces of the United States are loyal and disciplined but (like in the population as a whole) there is an element within that community who feel deeply concerned with the current POTUS.

It is not too abstract to wonder if there is support and planning behind this challenge.

If this officer is indeed a “stalking horse” we should know rather quickly.
Should he be quietly removed as a focus of the challenge - then it was an admirable choice of conscious.

If, however, the officer refuses to go quietly into the night and the case moves into a more open judicial realm (with accompanying publicity and leaks) - then one might prudently ask if there is deeper backing/command/control behind his position.

I am uncertain whether this President is equipped to play back channel politics at this level.

Huck

[presently no screen name]

Thank you. Great piece, well written.

It is highly unlikely that any court would want to go anywhere near a ruling which might ignite such chaos.

Fear of chaos leaves them frozen. So fear takes precedence over the Constitution.

We went from
Welcome to America - Home of the BRAVE to
Welcome to America - Home of the FEARFUL.

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[roaddog727]

As is yours.

[Mr Rogers]

“Actually, Obama is highly likely to face multiple states and their laws for him to prove that he is eligible to hold office before they put his happy @ss on the next presidential state ballots in 2012. I suspect Obozo will not run when faced with possibility of revealing his perfidy.”

That speaks volumes about your judgment...

[verity]

From someone who cannot spell court martial. lol

[American Dream 246]

Is it just me or am I completely stupid? I don't know anything about military procedures but talking about proofs:

1) We know for sure that the BC he put on his website is fake and in any case not a true BC with doctors, hospital names etc..

2) We KNOW his name was Barry Saotoro - we have proof of that with his indonesian school and such and nowhere it says that he ever changed his name

If we take only these 2 facts - and these are facts - you already have an enough big case that we have no clue who the guy is!

Then, the problem is that no one judge wants to take the case but frankly, it seems very obvious to me that these 2 FACTS are enough to say that the guy is a fraud and that a clear investigation is needed to know who he is. But that's just me...

[roaddog727]

Troll

[verity]

Very interesting.

This is worthy of a separate thread.

[Red Steel]

That speaks volumes about your judgment...

Mine is fine. Yours however, lack of good judgment is display.

[verity]

Just because you cannot answer a simple question......

[jamese777]

This presumes the individual has met the Constitutional requirements of natural born citizenship in Article 2 Section of the Constitution. Clearly BO/BS has not only failed to prove he meets that requirement but has refused to provide such proof. The Lt. Colonel’s oath is to the Constitution, not a civilian who has not proven to be a natural born citizen.

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Obama has failed to prove that to YOU. But he was certified as the winner of the Electoral College vote by Vice President Cheney and he was sworn in by Chief Justice Roberts and the state of Hawaii has confirmed his birth there. Thus far, seven Obama eligibility lawsuits have reached Justices’ conferences at the US Supreme Court and they have rejected hearing each and every one of them.
Finally the Indiana Court of Appeals ruled Obama to be a natural born citizen for Article 2 Section 1 purposes and therefore eligible to receive Indiana’s electoral college votes and last week the Indiana Supreme Court refused to overturn that decision.

[UCFRoadWarrior]

Well, I agree with you in one respect - no one can say how a judge will or won’t rule. It’s just a guess.

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True....and since there is no precedence set in a case like Lakin’s....a judge can rule either way. Although, contrary to what liberal claim....the military justice system is no kangaroo court....it does pride itself on truly seeking justice...more so than most civilian courts.

Having been in Army JAG and dealt with many aspects of military law....I doubt a judge would deny Lakin and his defense any discovery regarding Obama’s long-form BC.....later the judge can rule if it is relevant for the trial.

[Drew68]

Once again you post without knowing what we or you are talking about. Par for the course.

My mistake. It's hard to keep track of all the bogus birther "evidence" that has been posted ad nauseum all over the internet, none of which will help Lakin whatsoever.

[SeminoleSoldier]

If you have to ask that I don’t think anybody can explain it to you

[El Gato]

No. The courts will look to see if the military followed the correct procedure

If they do not let him present a defense, based on the his assertertion of illegality of the orders, they will not have followed the correct procedure. If the President dismisses him, and they do not allow him a Court Martial to present the same defense, again they would not have followed the correct procedure.

[scripter]

I’ve thought the same thing. I guess time will tell.

[Mr Rogers]

“in any case not a true BC with doctors, hospital names etc.. “

The BC he posted looks just like the one my daughter has from New Mexico. It (the NM birth certificate) includes date of birth, parents names, county of birth and date registered. Nothing more.

“We KNOW his name was Barry Saotoro - we have proof of that with his indonesian school and such and nowhere it says that he ever changed his name”

School papers are not documents that establish names.

[BP2]

Since nobody in the MSM takes the birther issue seriously ...

Everyone within the MSM assumed THIS was an UNDENIABLE TRUTH, too ...

... until shown otherwise by someone who "got inside" to prove that there was INDEED a Conspiracy. Many still DENY what has been verified by those who oversee those responsible for the cover-up.

Many doubts exist about Obama's Eligibility as well. Unless another person leaks what ALL (but the Flat Earthers here) believe, the only way to get to the REAL Truth is Discovery by an Injured Plaintiff in a suit that also has Causation and Redressability.

[presently no screen name]

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/02/founder-and-historian-david-ramsay-defines-natural-born-citizen-in-1789/

It’s NOT an issue of NOT being required to show proof of being a NBC, it’s an issue of NOT being a NBC.