Posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:39 AM PDT by kristinn
gnip to this thread and my post 160
OTOH, I am not a bit surprised to see more than one fellow FReeper advocating exceptions to the Bill of Rights for selected groups or individuals.
I am all for issuing a warrant, based on probable cause, arresting the guy, trying him in front of a military tribunal or jury of his peers as appropriate, and punishing him if convicted. If found on an active battlefield opposing US interests, by all means, shoot him.
But if you think that it is OK for the President to just order someone killed, you sir, need to spend some time examining your values and, I submit, your commitment to the Constitution and the founding principles of this Nation.
First link is busted...
But I have read the legislation. Everyone thinks this is benign if you have done nothing wrong, but “wrong” is in the eye of the beholder. This is a bad bill. A VERY bad bill.
“And if his name was barack hussein obama? Think about it.”
If I answer that, I would get a visit from serious men in black suits.
Yeah. For that reason, I almost didn’t post it. LOL
But you see my point.
If an article posted on FR said that Anwar al-Awlaki had been killed by a Hellfire missile fired from a drone aircraft, everyone would have said good riddance.
If the article happened to mention that Anwar al-Awliki had been killed after being intentionally targeted by the military or CIA, at most a very few would have mentioned the due process thing and they would have been shot down.
If an article mentioned that there are a few Americans among the individuals being targeted by Predators in Pakistan, Yemen, etc., the discussion would be more evenly balanced.
But since this article mentions that the president is involved in the creation or approval of the list of targeted individuals, all of a sudden everyone is a civil libertarian.
maybe we could subcontract the hits to the MOssad?
Oh wait, we’re not on to good a terms with Israel. huh?
To Destroy a Nation
The Obama Legacy
Ya mean this never was Obama’s goal til now?
The same time this country voted for Mohammadism, I guess...
Then our military kill him as any terrorist/enemy on the battlefield and environs. No problem with that, war is war. However to just pass a death sentence by proclamation on any American Citizen is a dangerous precedent and beyond the scope of Presidential Authority.
Letters of Marque and Reprisal were the time honored method of dealing with specific enemies and are Constitutional. The President decreeing a death sentence is not.
My thought exactly. Waiting for a reliable source. Not holding my breath.
Is this being widely covered?
Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidian, Fred Hampton ...... Chicago mobsters
Actually a long list could be compiled. The list would contain citizens of various races, of various religions and ideologies, of various records from heavily criminal to extremely innocent.
Typically those of a particular race or ideology will claim that they are targeted because of their race or because of their ideology. Actually they are targeted by the gubmint because it is in the self-interest of those in control of the gubmint to do so.
Sedition is not Constitutionally protected, but the right to a trial before being convicted of sedition is.
al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico:
The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of a U.S. citizen -- the New Mexico-born radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterintelligence officials told The New York Times on Tuesday.Awlaki, who was born in Las Cruces while his father studied at New Mexico State University, spent years as an imam in the United States before going into hiding in his family's native Yemen, The Times said.
NM list PING!
(Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from the list)
And bin Laden isn't American or a head of state.
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