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To: Eagle Eye; wagglebee
There is no blood at conception, so how can life begin at conception? At least Biblically speaking?

Gen 49:25 by the God of your father who will help you, by the Almighty who will bless you with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that crouches beneath, blessings of the breasts and of the womb.

Job 1:21 And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."

Job 31:15 Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?

Psa 17:14 from men by your hand, O LORD, from men of the world whose portion is in this life. You fill their womb with treasure; they are satisfied with children, and they leave their abundance to their infants.

Psa 71:6 Upon you I have leaned from before my birth; you are he who took me from my mother's womb. My praise is continually of you.

Psa 127:3 Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward.

Psa 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.

Ecc 11:5 As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.

Isa 44:2 Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you from the womb and will help you: Fear not, O Jacob my servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen.

Isa 46:3 "Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all the remnant of the house of Israel, who have been borne by me from before your birth, carried from the womb;

God bears us from before our birth and blesses us in the womb. Do you honestly believe he considers abortion something other than murder?

Can you explain how the commandment can prohibit murder but God tells David to slay all, even women and children?

I suggest you ask God of His will. After all, the Bible teaches that His ways are a mystery to us. But God brought death into the World because of our transgressions. So, for God to tell David to slay all, it is part of God's plan, and who are we to queston, or judge? It's we who are prohibited from taking the life of another. And that is exactly what abortion is.

156 posted on 04/06/2010 7:03:59 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: Hokus Pokus POTUS)
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To: bcsco; wagglebee; Eagle Eye; Hank Kerchief; xzins; Coleus; narses; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; ...

There’s this verse....

Psalm 51:5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

Only human beings can sin. Here the Bible talks about sin from conception, not just birth. If there were no human, there would be no sin or sinful state.

The humanity of the fetus has been recognized in the past as well. There is the old English common law practice of *pleading the belly*. Although it applied to only cases where the woman was sufficiently along in her pregnancy for detectable movement to be felt, that was merely, no doubt, just a reflection of the available, or lack of available, technology to make any other more precise determination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleading_the_belly

Here is the google search link to several other articles about the same concept.

http://www.google.com/search?q=pleading+the+belly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


196 posted on 04/06/2010 8:40:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bcsco
Using bold doesn't make something true or applicable.

You are picking and choosing what parts of the Bible you want to uphold and act on, it is as simple as that.

There is no doubt that God calls children a blessing. He also calls abundance and prosperity in other areas blessings.

Again, Adam wasn't a living soul until he breathed and the Bible says that the life of the flesh is in the blood, and blood isn't flowing in the first month or so.

So without blood there isn't life. Without life there isn't killing. Without killing there isn't murder.

Perhaps that is the reason that causing a miscarriage wasn't punished the same as a murder?

And if we don't ask questions then we are no different that automated obedient robots with no mind or free will of our own.

I did not write the book. But if one is going to build their moral and ethical foundations on Biblical principles then one cannot just do that with those that meet agreement with one's preconceived notions.

So do not mistake my attempt to uphold what the Bible says as justifying abortion.

And making it legal or illegal doesn't change it at all in God's eyes.

198 posted on 04/06/2010 8:45:23 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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