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To: danamco
Great links!

I love the part where zero in a debate years ago with former ambassador Alan Keyes when challenging ozero about his Kenyan birth got this reply:

"so what I'm not running for potus"

indicating that he knew he was not eligible years ago.

The joker and his minions have done an excellent job of covering up his past but like any congenital liar, Bill Clinton included, they always miss something.

192 posted on 04/02/2010 4:16:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( Sarah 2012!!! Home of the free because of the brave.)
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To: rodguy911; danamco; Drew68
"I love the part where zero in a debate years ago with former ambassador Alan Keyes when challenging ozero about his Kenyan birth got this reply:"

Absolute, unadaltered BS. It never happened. Those words were were NEVER spoken by Alan Keyes, nor was the response given by Obama. Just more in the birther-lore that gets repeated and repeated, without citation, but believed by all the weak-minded fools who buy into the crazy-ass conspiracies. But hey, don't take my word for, take the word of Alan Keyes.

There were two debates between Obama and Keyes in the run-up to the 2004 IL Senate race. Luckily, we actually have the transcripts to those two debates. Ironically, Keyes being ever the archivist, actually posts both transcripts on his own website. The can be found below...

U.S. Senate debate sponsored by the League of Women Voters in Illinois, Oct 21, 2004

Alan Keyes and Barack Obama debate, hosted by Illinois Radio Network, October 12, 2004

Now, was there anything close to what you state (as fact) was said? Ah no. But, there was this exchange from the debate on October 20, 2004...

KEYES: --at the door of the voting booth or public service, suggests something utterly incompatible with what the Lord ourself told us, Himself, rather, told us--

MAGERS: (talking over) Thank you, sir.

KEYES: --about the meaning of life.

MAGERS: Senator Obama, you have thirty seconds.

OBAMA: I don't need Mr. Keyes lecturing me about Christianity. That's why I have a pastor. That's why I have my Bible. That's why I have my own prayer. And I don't think that any of you are particularly interested in having Mr. Keyes lecture you about your faith.

What you're interested in is solving problems like jobs, and health care, and education. I'm not running to be the minister of Illinois. I'm running to be its United States Senator.

Gee, do you see anything there about his citizenship, either asked by Keyes (or the moderator), or answered by Obama? And yet, somehow, this gets bent, twisted and massaged into the story that you repeated. Amazing. What other birther facts and lore came to be in the exact same fashion?

Per the transcript, the words "Kenya", "Kenyan" weren't uttered by anyone in either debate. The words "birth certificate" were uttered, by Keyes and here is the relevant excerpt..

...Now, everybody should understand this. This isn't a child in the womb.

A fully-born, human infant for whom a birth certificate will be issued and a death certificate will be issued--and in between those two issuances, the child is not being treating with the same respect that you or I would demand for our right to life.

Now, will this keep you from continue to post your unsubstantiated urban legend? Nope, because imbeciles never let facts get in the way of a "great" story.

I guess it begs the question, why would you repeat something that is so self-evidently untrue. Are you so vacant of intellectual curiosity that you will believe anything written by anyone that supports your birther conspiracy theory?

203 posted on 04/02/2010 7:06:02 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: rodguy911

AWESOME!

You call me an idiot for not buying into the falsehoods that you choose to believe.

Then you repeat something demonstrably false.

Something readily verifiable as false.

Yet you call me an idiot because I check these things out and find them wanting? And you call me a troll because I question your fallacies?

All the while believing what you read on the Internet because it fits the narrative that you want to be true.

Do you see the problem here?


219 posted on 04/02/2010 8:19:17 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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