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Measure to legalize marijuana will be on California's November ballot (Dude)
Los Angeles Times ^ | March 24, 2010

Posted on 03/25/2010 3:21:41 PM PDT by Zakeet

Supporters of the initiative collected well more than the 433,971 signatures needed for it to go before voters in the fall, again putting the state at the forefront of the nation's drug debate.

An initiative to legalize marijuana and allow it to be sold and taxed will appear on the November ballot, state election officials announced Wednesday, triggering what will probably be a much-watched campaign that once again puts California on the forefront of the nation's debate over whether to soften drug laws.

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With polls showing that a slim majority of voters support legalization, the legalization campaign will be trying to appeal to a slice of undecided voters who are mostly mothers. "It's always easier for people to say no than to say yes for an initiative," said Mark Baldassare, the pollster for the Public Policy Institute of California.

[Oakland marijuana entrepreneur] Lee hopes to raise as much as $20 million. He will probably be able to tap a handful of wealthy advocates who have supported efforts to relax drug laws, including multibillionaire investor George Soros and George Zimmer, founder of the Men's Wearhouse. Zimmer has donated at least $20,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2010election; ballotinitiative; bongbrigade; ca2010; california; marijuana; potheads; weed
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To: GeezerConservative

You’re right. NO ONE has ever been under the influence of pot and injured themselves or driven themselves into a tree. Just like second hand smoke. Not ONE casse of harm has ever been proven. That’s why smoking is illegal in California. Pot is a magical drug that has no negative side effects, unlike every other drug in existence.


41 posted on 03/25/2010 5:01:09 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Read post #39, please.


42 posted on 03/25/2010 5:05:35 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Regardless of whether you think it's "stupid" or not, you need to remember that we live in a constitutional federal republic, & that the 10th Amendment recognizes the fact that this issue should be left to the states * to the People. We musn't forget the 9th Amendment, either.
43 posted on 03/25/2010 5:11:32 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: ajay_kumar

Pot isn’t physically addictive. I just thought you might want to know. :-)


44 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:13 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Yeah, and it makes white women have sex with negro jazz musicians!


45 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:46 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Ol' Sparky
It is obvious you favor the idea that gov’t can tell you what you may consume, & what you may not. So, by extension, you favor the nanny state.

It seems to me YOU would be right at home at Daily Kos. They too want to regulate every aspect of our lives.

If you expect others to respect the way you live, then you must respect the way they live. What others do in private is THEIR business, not yours or mine.

Invading peoples homes, destroying & confiscating their property, terrorizing their family, & jailing them for benign, private behavior are NOT hallmarks of a free society, but rather that of a fascist, nanny state. This is what YOU support!

Drug ABUSE is not a criminal problem, it is a health problem. Prison solves few health problems. Casual & responsible recreational drug use harms no one, as is witnessed by the millions of people who take a drink (alcohol IS a drug, you know) or pop a prescription pill daily, purely for pleasure.

Finally, I leave you with words from the Bible, King James version, Genesis 29-31:

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God thinks this is very good, yet you & our gov't think differently! Who is wrong?

46 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:49 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Zakeet

Can we kick CA out of the country please? PLEASE?!!?


47 posted on 03/25/2010 5:17:35 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Persevero

Go to your nearest high school and ask around.
Or go to a tavern and ask around.

But the main problem with making anything illegal is..
.....YOU ARE MAKING THE CRIMINAL GANGS RICH.....

Get it?


48 posted on 03/25/2010 5:17:56 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Ol' Sparky
No, creates a lot of problems -- more losers getting high and harming others, more drug trafficking and usage as marijuana is a gateway drug and more crime due to the increased crime. That is precisely what has happened when it was been legalized.

Garbage. Amsterdam had a murder rate of about 3.6/100,000 in 2007.¹ San Jose, one of the safest cities in the US with a population over 500,000, had a murder rate of 3.5 in 2007². Overall, the murder rate in the US is nearly 4X the Dutch rate.³

¹http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/Record-low-murder-rate-once-again.html
²http://city-data.com
³http:/nationmaster.com

49 posted on 03/25/2010 5:18:01 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Mister Da

Go eat some poison ivy if the bible says it’s ok to eat anything.


50 posted on 03/25/2010 5:18:35 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Ol' Sparky
It's amazing this sort of stupidity being promoted at a conservative website.

There are a heck of a lot more conservatives who enjoy smoking marijuana than you may be willing to admit, including yours truly.

51 posted on 03/25/2010 5:19:04 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: ChrisInAR

I’ve seen your ugly mug rant and rave about pot on here a lot. You do not impress anyone with this crap.


52 posted on 03/25/2010 5:20:11 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Ken H
That's a 12 point shift in 6 months.

I love that trend! I hope it continues 'til November.

53 posted on 03/25/2010 5:22:24 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: ChrisInAR
I am NOT advocating use of pot or any other addictive substance, including alcohol & tobacco. I think it is stupid to be addicted to any substance which harms your body.
What I am saying is by making anything illegal which has demand out there is to MAKE CRIMINAL GANGS RICH.
For example pot is illegal now. Yet it is a multi BILLION dollar illicit trade.
Who is benefiting? Not us tax payers. Just the Criminal gangs.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

54 posted on 03/25/2010 5:23:10 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: ajay_kumar

Guess we better legalize anything that can be profitable when illegal. Lets start with murder. Hitmen make money now, lets take that away.


55 posted on 03/25/2010 5:26:07 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Zakeet

Just what we need, more self induced retards walking the streets of Calif.


56 posted on 03/25/2010 5:31:27 PM PDT by jetson
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To: Tolsti2
Suppose CA votes to legalize. Do you support the State's prerogative under the Tenth Amendment to do so without fedgov interference? Or, should fedgov shut it down under authority of the Commerce Clause, in your opinion?
57 posted on 03/25/2010 5:35:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: ajay_kumar

That’s why re-legalization will help everyone. The $ being spent of pot (the small part that goes to the gangs, like you say) will instead be transferred to legitimate businesses, or if adults could grow their own, wouldn’t be spent in the 1st place.

Everyone (EXCEPT the drug gangs) would benefit from it...& BTW, personally, I DO advocate the use pf marijuana. I think it would help w/ the problem of anger management & reduce violence.


58 posted on 03/25/2010 5:36:16 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

“It’s STUPID idea that will increase the number of losers smoking pot..”

So you place little value on personal freedom, a cornerstone of our country’s founding?

I have always thought my freedom was supposed to go as far as impacting the freedom of the next person. I was taught that by my Western US type conservative parents. Think Barry Goldwater and Milton Friedman; both of whom inspired Ronald Reagan.

One man sits home, and has a couple of whiskeys.

Next man has few beers, or wine.

Yet their neighbor might toke half a joint.

All doze off in their easy chairs, with the TV playing.

Harm to society? Societal justification to regulate, criminalize, tax, etc?


59 posted on 03/25/2010 5:37:07 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ChrisInAR

In this case, shut it down. I’m not a libertarian, I believe in drug laws.

Why stop at pot? Answer, they won’t. They’ll push for more and more like all liberals do.


60 posted on 03/25/2010 5:37:44 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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