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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; spunkets; Quix; metmom; allmendream
What on earth is kosta talking about? On what basis would we be "observing and measuring" anything in the first place, if we didn't already presuppose a universal criterion by which such activities could be evaluated and judged in the first place?

I am sorry you don't understand what I am talking about. It seems pretty self-evident, but I guess not to all. We did not come up with logic out of the clear blue, betty boop, just as we did not "presuppose" a circle and then proceeded to establish universal geometrical "laws" that apply to circles no matter what universe they are in.

I believe you have the whole thing backwards. Rather man first discovered a circle, a physical shape, whether a rock, or a drawing, and then proceeded to see how many times can one fit a diameter around it and discovered a physical fact that there was always an amount left over, which the Greeks called a π.

That is the property of circles. Circle is a two-dimensional shape. It didn't exist before the material world was created.

575 posted on 03/28/2010 3:13:08 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
"Circle is a two-dimensional shape. It didn't exist before the material world was created."

It's enough to say that a circle does not exist w/o a physical instantiation of it, as in an object that contains a circle, or as an instance in some rational being's mind. Otherwise you must provide evidence for the claim that the material world was created and identify the creator.

588 posted on 03/28/2010 6:12:43 PM PDT by spunkets
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